Brexit

Well said that man.

 

Layla Moron (there a great name for a poliltition) was banging on about a second peoples vote which ann election will be, Iain Dale said whats the point your leader Jo Swinson says she would never accept to leave vote.
Doesnt the Dem part of Lib/Dem mean you're a Demacrate laughable.

 

He didn't think it was the best deal hence the Tories threw May out.

 

You're aiming you ire at the wrong targets m8. You want to set your sights on the embarrassment that is the labour party, a disgrace to the working man these days. Wouldn't trust them to run a bath let alone the country.

 

You only have to watch the likes of Emily Thornbury when put on the spot she made herself look a proper prat, the woman in the audiance tore her a new one.
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I've sen a few of them lately squirm under interview. Its pathetic that these well paid members of office cannot do what they are paid to do. Nandy, Burgon, Abbott just off the top of my head giving what were embarrassing interviews to the media. They can't even get their story right. Shame really because a strong and well versed opposition would wipe the floor with Johnson.

 

Tories should show that clip in their party political broadcasts come the next election, a further proof of the intensions of the country wrecking opposition....#draintheswamp

 

'The voting paper was not that difficult to understand'.
That was the problem. The referendum vote was presented as a simple binary choice, when the reality of Brexit was anything but simple. If you present a highly complex reality as a simple choice you get confusion and dissent.

Before the referendum we were presented with a myriad of different Brexit models - Norway +, Canada +, bespoke trade and customs deals - you name it. The possibilities were endless.
The only type of Brexit that wasn't going to happen was No Deal. Anyone who suggested this possibility was a fully paid up spokesperson for Project Fear. It was just scaremongering. Farage, Johnson, Gove and Fox all told us how the EU would be falling over itself to do a deal with us, so we could have our cake and eat it.
So on that basis the public narrowly voted in favour of this Brexit that was supposed to save us money, stop all the migration, recover our (never lost) sovereignty but keep all the economic benefits.
But somehow, this narrow majority for a unicorn Brexit is now being recast as a clear mandate for a No Deal Brexit - the one option that nobody suggested would happen.
You couldn't make it up. That's neither democracy, nor 'the will of the people'. Pretending that the narrow Brexit majority was a vote for No Deal is just lying.

 

Can I apologise on behalf of all us thicko's that DID know what we were voting for, we are sooo sorry, fancy not knowing what LEAVE means, shud av gon to skool.......

 

Do you think there should be a general election?

 

I'm not talking about people like you, and nor am I suggesting that you are thick.

You are a right wing authoritarian. Clearly people with your views hate the EU and would vote for No Deal, come what may. Likewise, confirmed Remainers like me weren't going to vote for anything other than Remain.
But the Brexit referendum wasn't decided by the likes of you and me. It was won because a large number of undecided middle ground voters were persuaded by the Leave campaign that we could leave but still keep the economic benefits of EU membership. No Deal was no part of that persuasion.

Recent polls show that only 70% of Leave voters support No Deal. So it's perfectly clear that if the Leave proponents had campaigned on an explicit No Deal platform they would have comfortably lost the referendum. Claiming that No Deal is mandated by the referendum result is just a lie.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1169154976117153793

Hopefully the link works. This, ladies and gent, is the shadow justice secretary. Now tell me we aren't f**ked?

 

How can so many countries in the EU be facing financial difficulties if there are so many economic benefits to being a member? I'm all for membership of the big club mentality but how exactly does it benefit us?

 

Yes of course. It's blindingly obvious that there needs to be a general election. Everybody knows that there will be a GE this Autumn. At the moment Johnson is a lame duck PM with no majority - even before he decided to expell the halfway reasonable section of his party. He cannot continue to govern and get any legislation through parliament as things stand.

But, tactically, it makes no sense for opposition parties to sanction an election until the Stop No Deal Act has both passed through Parliament and been implemented. Johnson has as good as said that he would refuse to request an extension from the EU, even if the law requires it. Nobody trusts him as far as they can throw him.
As soon as the EU extension is implemented there will be an election. Whether that will deliver a majority government, however, is quite another matter. Labour will lose some seats in northern Leave areas. The Tories will lose some seats in southern Remain areas. Who knows what will happen. It's a lottery. And we all know that things often change during election campaigns in ways that no one could have predicted. I wouldn't guarantee that a GE will provide a clear route out of the Brexit shambles.

 

Still not answered my original question mate, if the Labour party did not want to fully exit the EU why did they not vote for Mays deal, you and I both know the Labour party were playing lip servce to the referendum result.
This is classic gold from Emily Thornberry,

 

Speaking theoretically, if we did remain and Labour did win a general election could you and do you trust the Labour party, as it stands with its current leader, to run the country? Haivng seen his stance and the rest of his parties stance i cannot for one minute believe they are competent enough to take this country forward.

 

A must watch moment, i'm sure there are 1 or 2 (maybe 1) on this forum who can turn this round to a positive...

 

Global trading conditions (and the growth of multinational companies that can move money and production around the world with ease) have been moving against western countries for decades. The collective economic muscle of the EU has sheltered European countries from that reality to some extent, but it can't work miracles. Without the EU's strength it would have been far worse.

Along with globalisation, and the rise of developing eastern economies, 40 years of neoliberal economic thinking in government have decimated our manufacturing base and/or sold it off to foreign owners. Those with money here have been on investment strike for decades - preferring to squirrel their profits away in foreign tax havens rather than invest to create jobs in the UK. We have become heavily reliant on service industries and the London financial markets. The only significant investment here has been from big foreign companies such as Nissan, who see us as a gateway to Europe and who will rapidly move elsewhere once trade and customs barriers are in place. Indeed, that process has already begun.
None of this is the fault of the EU. We have been protected somewhat from the consequences of our own follies by the collective strength of the EU and the seamless trade with our nearest and biggest markets. Once we leave we're toast. We cannot hope to replicate with distant foreign lands the advantages that we get inside the EU free trade club.

 

Labour don't have a cat in hells chance of being elected first passed the post with any sort of majority the best they can hope for is a Lab/LibDem coalition, once again Boris stole a march on Corbyn coming to a Labour strong hold Yorkshire.
Having said that I'm not sure Corbyn would want to hear the roth of many die in the wool Labour voters who he and his party have let down.