Brexit

Humour must pass you by, I did say it was firmly tongue in cheek, No matter the windbag politicians pushing their own ends and careers when it is put to the public vote the electorate know what is best for them, No part of the UK has or ever will vote to leave the UK despite been given the opportunity they are much to wise

 

No, you say it’s tongue in cheek, but many a true word said in jest....

Not so sure about that, the EU departure may change things significantly if the SNP get another referendum. Being a member of the EU, rightly or wrongly, is a big issue up here, it will be used to garner support given significantly more wanted to stay in the EU (i know it was a uk vote, not a scottish vote but try telling them that). The SNP like it or not, have been pretty successful, the stock of the other main parties is at an all time low. I’m not as confident as you, that if they get another opportunity at independence, they will pass it up a second time. And the main reason it is even being talked about again is because of leave voters, such as yourself. Yet another risk that has been taken, an obvious one at that. It’s pretty hard to take given all the work that was done up here during the first indy-ref, and all the division that caused first time round. It’s potentially been thrown away. It’s all going great, really.

 

Genuine question Skye - if the SNP have been as successful are you say, why have they not won an independence referendum?

 

Party through hard work of the Pro UK campaign - things have changed given the EU referendum result though, and that will potentially play into their hands now. Nothing is certain, but it’s rearing its head again the whole indyref thing. Brexit has caused that, and I’m not that confident another vote wouldn’t be even closer. It all adds more uncertainty.

 

Seems a little strange that the SNP want to be independent of the UK, not wanting the UK government to have input into much of what the Scot's want, yet they are quite happy to stay in the EU and let the EU make policy for Scotland ?.

 

They just want independence. Sort that first, to hell with anything else. Fwiw, the contradiction of wanting to be in the EU but not in the UK, is not lost on me. But, they have one reason for being, to get scottish independence, and Brexit has given them another chance.

 

We are in the EU as a whole as the UK and we will leave as such including Scotland, Should Scotland vote for Independence and gain it they can apply to join the EU as an independent nation subject to accepting the Euro as the currency and acceptance of all EU rules and regulations and the acceptance of the EU courts having supremacy in Scottish law, Not sure many Scots would approve of that

 

The point is that many people in Scotland realise that the UK's problems are nearly all caused by decisions of our own government (of both colours) not by the EU.
Unlike the English, they aren't taken in by all the anti-EU press and so they put the blame where it is due
Most Scots see the UK government as an obstacle to Scottish prosperity and recognise the economic benefits of remaining in the world's largest free trade bloc.
There is no contradiction Dave. They'd rather be in the EU than the UK, because they recognise that being forced to become a part of an economically isolated offshore island is terrible economic news for Scotland (just as it is for the rest of the UK).

 

But surely the UK is one of Scotlands biggest trading markets, why would you leave it?

 

Ideally, you wouldn't. But if you think that market is going to shrink as a result of Brexit you'd have to consider which is the lesser of two evils - being forced against your will to be part of an isolated declining economy or sticking with the world's biggest single market.

 

The SNP MP was getting plenty of stick from last nights audiance on Question Time many saying the only policy they are championing is independance, yet they do not represent the majority of voters in Scotland.
I find it amusing that the EU referendum was won by the majority, yet the majority of MPs are doing there damnedest to not implement the electorates decision, where as the Scottish independant vote was lost but the SNP keep persuing another vote, seens like they are all as bad as each other and don't seem to know the meaning of democracy.
The worst being the leader of the Labour party a strong anti EU MP but now seems to swing both ways when it suites him.
Roll on 23rd of May.

 

5th GDP ranking in the world suggests regardless if it shrinks we're still a huge market. I'd argue Scotland leaving the UK would be more damaging for them than the UK leaving the EU...

 

What your saying is the Scots want to sponge off the rest of Europe instead of off us....fine by me...

 

Please alter your comment to "some Scots" .I'm a Yorkshire man who pays more tax here than I would in England.
The SNP do not speak for the whole population of Scotland.

 

In the end the parliament will have to choose between a no deal Brexit and revoke and as turkeys don’t vote for Christmas they will vote for revoke !!

 

I fear you may be right, It would be an affront to democracy but the people with money and power always win in the end as do the EU who have thwarted every election that has gone against it in the past and will with brexit, A general election looms sooner than later

 

Well, the irish and dutch had to have multiple referendums in the past as they didn't give the correct result to the eu.

Another referendum?- well why not and if we continue to give the wrong result this soap opera can carry on for years.
Think of the entertainment, politics will just revert to being dull and run by ugly people when normality returns.
Unless normality can never return as the tories and labour have self inflicted their demise by the voting public.

 

The EU are happy for referendums as long as there is only one result in their favour otherwise you can dam well do it again until you do

 

There’s only ever been 2 referendums for continued EU membership, both the UK.

But I’m sure you knew that, being a man of intellectual prowess.