Brexit

Watching tonight's news the EU negotiators have left with their tails between their legs telling us to withdraw the reworded document asap at the latest by the end of the month.
Michael Gove said that is not going to happen so stale mate, looks like we could walk if both the EU and UK stay firm with regards there positions.
The rewording of the withdrawal agreement has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons in the House Of Lords.

 

We do, they've been clear from the start why a canada deal won't work and they aren't under duress to just bend over for us like you seem to think they are.
Its not about alignment as we're perfectly free to have higher standards, we just want the freedom to undercut them.

Look even the Americans who never usually comment on our politics because it isn't that important to them have started weighing in saying don't do what you're doing. quite a lot of senior democrats have said they'll move to block a trade deal if we continue to do what we're doing and where would we be then. properly alone and friendless which again is the polar opposite of what we were sold this would be.

 

It's pointless belligerence like that that starts wars. you are all absolutely determined to see europeans as your enemy and its a joke

 

WTF We have to stand up to them , talk of any wars is preposterous , it's as simple as we want to sell them our goods and they want to sell us there's, it's not complicated...

 

I believe they were originally prepared to offer Theresa May a similar deal to Canada, so why the big deal now.

Did you miss O'Barmy stood along side Cameron saying if we left the EU we would be at the back of the queue, not sure that goes along with your "it isn't important to them" comment, trying to sway the British electorate none of his f*****g business, now Joe Biden if putting his sixthpenneth in, lucky for us the US electorate aren't stupid enough to put the Democrats back in the White House, even with the pandemic situation.

 

They should have no say in our standards. It's for the british people to decide.

It's as ludicrous as having the Americans dictate our standard.

They can set the standards for products that or services that are sold into their markets - which would bring about a natural level playing field - but I'm afraid any outside coalition of countries dictating the standards of another nation is clearly wrong.

And yet some of the British people are still fighting for that exact thing.

 

If it is just for things getting exported to the EU why does it need putting into UK law? Surely they EU could set up a system of checks on imports to make sure it meets their standards just like they do for things imported from America? Or do things imported from America have to meet those same standards?

 

It is not just to the EU, They are concerned we will undercut and compete with them in export markets round the world and that is why they need a level playing field, They like us can set levels on imports which would have to be set under no deal anyway

 

So they are enshrined in American Law too?

 

Rubbish, that is exactly what they are trying to do If we cannot reduce taxes and standards to compete when we negotiate then the EU is setting our standards and near enough a limit on price to other nations, It is in effect a non compete agreement

 

So if they have a system in place for checking or blocking imports for other countries that doesn’t include stipulating what is enshrined in law why not use those systems and checks with the UK? Then if the UK drop their standards block the imports, no need to even discuss it with the UK.

 

I will ask you the same question I asked @Offcomedun the other day then.

Do Algeria, Morocco and Turkey have trade agreements?

If the answer to that is "yes" do the EU determine their environment and employment standards?

 

This is largely true but just to add that US agriculture is mega efficient when compared with the EU farmers and prices are around 30% cheaper, The standards thing is just a ploy to protect EU farmers who would be decimated by US cheap imports.

 

I completely agree with this.

If it was just about things being imported into the EU then it wouldn't be an issue. Everyone understands that the things being sold in the EU have to meet their standards.

I don't believe at all that this is what they're trying to achieve. They're trying to implement uniformity of rules to all products so that the UK can't "unfairly" compete inside the UK market and also on the world stage - excluding EU countries.

 

It's literally the easiest solution to the issue in my eyes.

Massively simplified but - the UK can do what its wants but only products that meet the EU standards can be sold in the EU. Products that don't obviously can't. Why is that even tricky?