Brexit

I think the re writing of part of the Brexit agreement to be cause controversy has been done to so that the whole thing collapses without agreement and we go WTO on 01.01.21

 

so trying to call it trafficking was a waste of time then. why should they help someone that acts like a Twit towards them all the time

 

and the great brexit tax dodge is complete

 

I do get this bit. Completely I do.

What I don't get is why you'd want any governmental body to be setting our standards, either at the higher or lower end, except the UK government.

 

I can't understand why you would accept low standards in any area of your life regardless of who's setting them. who sets them is irrelevant to me if they aren't beneficial to the consumer. I'm sure everyone will feel warm and fuzzy about setting our own standards when we're sat there eating chlorinated chicken and low quality plastic shite thats masquerading as food. The average person will lose out from this and that is what I am interested in, not some silly notion of sovereignty

 

With regards trafficking you know exactly the comparison I was making, they say they are vulnerable people who want to get to the UK and the French government turn a blind eye to what is obviously criminality with regards criminal gangs setting them up to cross the channel in dinghies hardly the sort of thing you would expect from a resonable French government.
We wont need to be acting like Twits soon as we will be free to do as we please, could be sooner than later if the government can get the new wording of the withdrawal document through Parliament then well see if the EU have the balls to tell us there is no chance of a deal under the new document.

 

You may well be correct .

 

I'm not accepting, or wanting, low standards. I'm just interested in who decides them.

Unless we're saying that EU standards are always automatically 100% the only way to judge things.

 

Pre packed meat in supermarkets is like that now, looks nice but tastes of nothing and feels like plastic, this is where your local butcher/farm shop comes in, miles better whatever the price...

 

exactly tony so imagine how shit it would be without any consumer standards in place.
completely agree, i live on the road with the most independently owned businesses in the UK of which they'res several lovely butchers. didnt waste any time finding the good uns when i moved down here haha

 

Yes. 100%. I have no issue with the EU setting the standards for things that can be sold into their market. Completely on board with that.

 

So there's your answer really, if it's not good enough it doesn't get bought, customer decides......

 

so you would be totally fine if the EU states came into our markets with vastly lower standards and undercut us completely and filled our country with cheap low quality produce, because asking them to trade on our terms in our own market is an unacceptable attack on their sovereignty?

 

I still shop at tesco etc if i dont have time to get up to the butchers, sometimes your life circumstances make your choices for you

 

Well that's up to them and then it's up to us whether we buy them. Exactly the same as happens with China or Taiwan.

Need to clarify what we're talking about as standards. Theres obviously safety and quality standards that each country should deem as acceptable but then theres the wider issue of employment, environment, taxes etc.

The first ones should be set in the country where the item is bought.....if it doesn't meet those standards then it shouldn't be allowed in. The second lot should be determined only by the country who is making the item and the ethics of the people purchasing the goods.

But that's once again a separate issue. My main point is why would we want any governmental body set our standards apart from our government. If the EU said chlorinated chicken was fine (and I have no desire to get into a discussion on that particular item because I don't know enough about it) then would we agree that was fine?

 

I think my last post might clarify my thoughts on this and I think it's about how far you class "standards".

They can of course set quality and safety standards for the items sold in their area. Wider standards and I mentioned shouldn't be allowed to be set by them and they don't apply these wider standards to other countries.

 

They can but I would have more sympathy with their position if they applied them uniformly. Its bully boy tactics and while they have every right to use them we don't have to accept them.

If we agree to the wider standards but other countries don't then we are automatically putting ourselves at a disadvantage against them.