How can boycotts be futile?
Are we pretending that Rupp will fund Bradford City literally no matter what, in a desperate attempt to recoup his initial, poorly conceived investment?
He made an error buying the club. He shouldn't have bought it. He isn't interested, and his business partner was a charlatan. That's behind us now, but let's not pretend protest is futile. Some fans do not like the way the club is run, do not see Stefan's vision, and do not believe we are on course for success.
It's really that simple.
Disenfranchised fans are a serious cause for concern, whether they're seen as part of an organised boycott, an incidental boycott, or just a dwindling fan base. It's up to Stefan to get these fans back on board and give this club a shot in the arm. They're his customers, and it's his business.
At the minute there is nothing for some fans to hold on to, and the more disenfranchised they become, the more likely action will be taken whether its 'futile' or not.
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It does not indicate a well run club.
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Let's take a step back. The holding company was not 'obviously set up' by Rahic. ER Sportsgroup was originally setup as a vehicle for R&R to buy the club. It was majority owned 77.5% by Rupp and 22.5% by Rahic but since 2018 has been wholly owned 100% by Rupp. Originally, it was almost entirely funded by another company (which also happens to include the initials ER!) - ER Investment Gmbh which has always been 100% owned by Rupp. That's Rupp's principal investment veheicle for some of his own funds and for example, and very importantly, is due an annual return from ER Sportsgroup ftom its investment in the club. Rupp has several other companies including ER Immobolien (involved in his racing car ventures) and ER Projektmanagement which share the same initials.
Are you suggesting that simply because these other businesses also have the initials ER, they are somehow a front for Rahic? The notion that the ER in these (Rupp's) company names relates to Rahic is a myth.Bronco, ModernBantam, ahar964 and 1 other person like this. -
two points. make no mistake - if Rupp had gone with Wagmi you would have morphed from a fan into an asset to be exploited - some might say that is already the case, but at least you're not being compelled to buy into some value-less and non marketable garbage (you want the only authentic digital copy of Threlkeld's long throw that Lavery converted? Certainly sir - that'll be £900) so that we can have a new striker. Ultimately value resides in stuff we can use and stuff we can eat - invest in the art market if you want - (most artists only make money after they are dead - they're not making it anymore) Invest in land if you must (they're not making it anymore), invest in tulips if you want (plenty of them) but digital merchandise? Come on! I give it three years and you'll be left holding a picture of the last working hand dryer in Valley Parade, whilst the owners (Wagmi - remember them?) will be pocketing the proceeds and waking up in their air-con condos, unruffled, to perpetrate some even more esoteric bollocks that no-one actually understands. I don't know the man, I probably don't like the man any more than you but I think it is entirely to Rupp's credit that he gave these fraudsters the bum's rush. Especially if, as has been widely reported, he turned down an offer that was more than his original investment, because he felt it wouldn't be good for BCAFC. Boycott all you want, if you're prepared to accept the potential consequences. For myself I'll continue to ride the roller coaster that is being a BCAFC fan - we will lose when we deserved to win, and scrape a draw when we are outplayed. If you think that status and winning are everything in football then you have a different understanding of sport to me, a different set of values that I certainly don't despise, but can't understand or embrace.
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I don’t know much about NFTs but I follow David Ball our former loanee on Instagram and he now has one, I believe his club in New Zealand are getting into it. A number of sporting teams are I believe so it’s hardly an alien market.
Anyway it didn’t happen, our proud custodian saved us from the evil buyers who’s soul purpose for existing was to destroy Bradford City football club showed his commitment with a lavish January transfer window. Now we have beaten the mighty Stevenage all you hysterical keyboard warriors need to be quiet and clap or you’ll effect the club and it’ll be all your faults when we slowly drift to non league. If not the fans then it’ll be the 10 managers fault clearly working against the proud custodian to make him look bad as he’s clearly faultless.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...CRASS, bantamdave41, ModernBantam and 1 other person like this. -
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Prior to the game today, the season is over. At least 30 points needed from 16 games, so all said and done, around 2 points a game.
You can quote your maths and all that but the eye sight test confirms it, as does the inability to look in control of a game. No back to back wins since August.
Look at recent results /performance against Carlisle, Leyton, Crawley, Walsall, Stevenage, Harrogate, Rochdale. We mustered 8 points from these 7 games, all below us in the league.
Do you honestly believe this team, manager has the ability to provide 'automatic promotion' form?
Still to travel to Forest Green, Northampton, Sutton and entertain Tranmere. The top 4.
We have all of the top 7 to play yet can only muster in recent times, 8 points from 7 games from teams below us.
Yeah it's not mathematically over but it's over. Prior to today.Inspector, CRASS, Dennis and 1 other person like this. -
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I know there's a coincidental timing thing about our managers and an away trip to Oldham being the last stop for them..... cant see Adams making it to Oldham.
Think he'll be sacked today or tomorrow. I'm really against chop and change because it clearly gets us nowhere, but this fit is just all wrong. We've tried promotion winners for the level we were at the time in Grayson, Bowyer and now Adams and it just doesn't fit. Tried the club legend and that just ended sour, never again. Tried promoting up but it just felt like they weren't ever taken seriously.... so what next?
Worst thing for me is the players attitudes. It's so obvious when they down tools and stop playing for a manager. Look at the amount of managers Paudie, Watt, Sutton, Cooke and few others have gone through now. It's embarrassing, but it's almost like the players get away with it every time. Just watching the last few, you get the feeling with a few players they just can't be bothered because they know he's gone soon, so why try?vladimir, bantamdave41, Inspector and 1 other person like this. -
We're told and tell ourselves we are too big for this level, look at twitter whenever we play a Sutton or Barrow and the amount of stuff said about how tinpot and embarrassing it is to play these teams, but we're playing them for a reason. It's a sour cycle we're in, unfortunately.Inspector, bantamdave41, Cityfan and 1 other person like this. -
Great post AB
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Perhaps time to remind people that Adams was the ‘Supporters’ choice as well. So Sparks arguably ‘listened’ to the fans!Storck, Bronco, Botswana Bantam and 1 other person like this. -
Adams has no tactics or plan that we can see. There’s no uniformed press or hunting in packs to get the ball back. Players looking like total strangers and miles apart. We play with no width if Vernham isn’t on the pitch, but to be fair we have a number of key injuries to those positions. I think I heard Adams saying he didn’t know how to fix it, if so that has to be the final nail in the coffin.
I’m tired of the whole chop and change manager scenario, but I just can’t see anything to cling onto with him. No tactics, no game plan, no motivation, no relationship and no idea how to turn this around.
If I was Sparks, I’d go to Rupp and explain why he needs to dispense with another manager and look to bring in Lee Johnson if he can. Plays the game the right way and experienced with the big club mentality.Allotment Bantam, bantamdave41, Faithful Bantam and 1 other person like this. -
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Without knowing all of the details, I suspect that one place to start looking for the missing transactions is to ask for access to the the full financial accounts for both companies rather than simply rely the management accounts relating to one of them.
About 3 years ago, another poster and myself looked at the accounts from the opposite end of the ownership hierarchy. We concentrated on the accounts of ER Sportsgroup Gmbh trying to understand the ownership structure and source of funding for the purchase of the club and how Rahic leaving the club might impact. Instead we identified unexplained revenues of circa €300k in the accounts of ER Sportsgroup Gmbh. We explained what we had done on here at the time. The important point is that the holding company ER Sportsgroup only had 1 investment and that was and still is BC Bantams (and indirectly Bradford City Football Club). Given that ownership structure, I fail to understand how else the revenues could arrive in the accounts of ER Sportsgroup without it having come from BC Bantams or Bradford City Football Club.
Much later, indeed only in the past few weeks, another poster linked to a summary of ER Sportsgroup from Dunn&Bradstreet. This is the link ....
https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.er_sportsgroup_gmbh.827860c16450a030873c142fc73658a8.html
In it, you'll easily see that the turnover (revenues) of the holding company ER Sportsgroup Gmbh is identified as $355k. That is broadly in line with the original analysis when converted into euros. I'd welcome your explanation of this. It may not fit your narrative or agree with the club's management accounts. But then I wouldn't expect it to given that the acounts you had access to were simply day-to-day management accounts and therefore don't necessarily reflect the interaction and transfer of funds between the three companies. From my experience those are usually matters for the shareholders.
One solution to avoid this confusion would be for the club to start publishing full financial accounts for both BC Bantams and Bradford City Football club. Everything would then be open and transparent and anybody who wished to read the accounts would see quite clearly the extent to which the owner is funding the club or vice versa. Those transactions may amount to zilch but may not. In the recent past Ryan Sparks has promised to do this. Unfortunately that didn't happen. Only abbreviated published accounts were published. They were however supported by selected highlights from the full accounts which clearly exist but no mention was made of the related transactions between the three companies.
Is this part of a conspiracy? No, unless you want to regard it as such. It is reporting the facts from the perspective of the club's ultimate holding company as reported in its accounts and supported by the analysis from Dunn&Bradstreet.Faithful Bantam, vanginger, Botswana Bantam and 1 other person like this.
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