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I’m not a fan of Corbyn either. But yeah, Boris Johnson, he’s a idiot. Having qualifications does not preclude someone from being an idiot with no working personal radar on what is acceptable. I listened to one of his hustings two weeks ago. Never have i heard a prospective prime minister offer up such over waffled, stuttery, embarrassing ‘answers’ to not even that challenging a-questions.

Best of luck all his ‘fans’ though. I look forward to our future relationship with europe being better than what we already have, then us bending over, arse up, lube ready for donald trump to have his merry way with us. And also i look forward to an even more divided Uk, so much so it probably won’t even be the UK anymore sooner than we think. Congratulations. But at least you’ll still have a tory party, a tory and UNIONIST party. The latter has to be a piss take when they have just jeopardised that very thing significantly, all by themselves.

 

Great start by Boris, May had some of the most incompetent ministers in modern history in her cabinet, Chosen on the basis that they were worse than her and a balance of brexit or remain, He has got rid of the dead weight ministers who accomplished nothing and has replaced with hard working talented ministers,

 

He's the best chance of anyone in Parliament who had any chance of becoming PM to deliver brexit. With the cabinet hes now got there aren't really any barriers to it anymore beyond his lack of a majority. However that's discounting Labour rebels and theres a few in there who are brexiteers themselves. I'm resigned to it happening now and I think we could probably manage a deal brexit, but no deal will just shag everything as we're nowhere near prepared for the reality of what it will be imo. Grayling couldn't even organise a stress test of the emergency plan for Dover properly.

 

I raise you Nicola Sturgeon. Nasty woman.

 

Maybe so, he’s her dream appointment though. And a No deal brexit will seal the deal. But to be fair to Nicola Sturgeon, as much as I dislike her, she doesn’t come out with any where near as much outdated, insulting crap as Boris.

 

I get the sense that the possibility of renegotiating the withdrawal agreement has been shut down today. The EU are not going to bend over the backstop, so I think everything points to no deal, if that can be got through somehow.

You can tell that Boris's team are very well organised and have sensibly, and rightly, started to move debate into areas such as law and order, social care and education. Already that is a step change from the previous PM.

The thing that Boris knows, and despite all the confidence, is that we are not ready for no deal and won't be in 98 days. There will be medicine and food shortages. IMO that's why, broadly, he hasn't appointed any of the Brexit nutters in his Government but has made sure he has Brexiteers across the piece. He will need to make some form of compromise to make 'no deal' viable. A compromise that gets the support cross-party.

How he squares that with retaining the Union is not obvious.

 

Boris's problem is the 16.1m, not the 17.4m.

He needs an outcome that not only registers with Brexit supporters as meeting the will of the people, but also will have resonance with remainers going forwards. Otherwise he could well suffer the fate of Winston Churchill after the war.

He has ditched Tory remainers and moderates for now, but if he is to win an election outright then they will need to be back in the fold at some point. That's my main hope for us getting a deal and preventing even more distraction after we leave. There isn't the bandwidth in government and the civil service to sustain both managing the impact of no deal and to get on with addressing domestic issues.

 

Can you send a link to these things you have paraphrased as I seem to have missed all of this?

I can't help but think you are doing the classic thing of 'paraphrasing' (aka Chinese whispering) something that was already fake news that you read in The Guardian or Independent or you heard some out of context soundbites on the BBC.

But I will keep an open mind and check out any links you can find.

 

We are where we are, and I don't think its a suprise to anyone that the threat of a no deal and walking away was never mentioned during Mays negotiations.
As a remainer most knew she was trying to appease the Tory party as a whole and that was never going to happen, having the ERG who wanted out at any cost on the one side and the likes od Sudbury, Letwin, and Kenneth Clarke digging their heals in to stay in.
He certainly has a fight on his hands, as the last no deal that the MPs voted on has now lapsed, is it just a matter of putting it forward again and voting on ?, which is obviously the remainers ace card and will continue to frustrate any deal Boris puts forward.
As Boris says unless the Tories deliver brexit they would have little credability in a General Election, having said that Labour or more to the point Corbyn would have even less, looks like Boris and his team are digging stuff up fron Corbyns past, they should have a field day with that.

 

• [QUOTE="trevor, post: 238887, member: 104"]They have to time it right, If they bring the motion back and lose it then the ruling is it cannot be brought back again in this parliament, So lose it and they are goosed and unable to stop our exit with or without a deal, Boris now with the Parliament on holiday until September has one ace up his sleeve, If you call an election then parliament is suspended for 6 weeks so if the leave date is within this period it will go through automatically[/QUOTE]

That would be some call by Boris, although as you say Parliament and most MPs are on their jollies I bet the likes of Boris and the ERG are beavering away during those 6 weeks weighing up that very possibility of calling for a General Election

 

The Master.

 

Comments like this are mind bogglingly daft. What do you think the remain lot will do once brexit is done, just disappear in a puff of smoke forever? Whether you like it or not, those people live in this country too, are british citizens like you and are just as entitled to a brexit that works for them as much as the Leavers. You didn't win a landslide majority, it was a bloody close result and maybe if Leavers had spent the past 3 years trying to reconcile both sides instead of referring to people who disagreed as bedwetting remainers and generally being awful winners, the country might not be the divided joke it is at the moment. And before you say well what about remainers attacking you, they lost so the onus isn't on them to do anything. Your lot won so you own it!

 

Politics on both sides is so partisan now that its wrong to level that at the left and not the right. Neither side would let the other do anything good without spinning it to their advantage. It seems you guys on the right forget that us lefties love the country just as much as you do, we just have different ideas on how to go about things.

 

When you say left is that Jeremy Corbyn left serious question ?.

 

You must be in the tiny minority of Lefties who love their country. Every true Leftie remainer I have come across socially or at work, does nothing but knock everything Britain stands for and would prefer to be known as a European.

 

Well he isn't a right winger is he? Serious but loaded question as now you'll probably slate me but I do believe he loves this country, the same as your Rees Moggs and Dominic Raabs. I disagree with him on many things and he does have a chequered history but in my mind no worse than those around him. They've all got pretty bad skeletons in the closet at this stage and if his past was that bad, they wouldn't realistically let him become an MP. For example, what's the difference between Corbyn and former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell? Corbyn's never been a member of the communist party whereas Campbell has.

The point being this whole thing of slating people you disagree with as unpatriotic etc etc only damages the quality of public discourse to the point where people like Trump can tell US born citizens to go home and subsequently go up in the polls. It's the death of nuance in any kind of public debate and that should sadden us all imo.

 

Who made you the judge of what constitutes truly left wing? Its like me saying every 'true' right winger I've met has basically been a fascist racist bastard when the reality just isn't like that. This is exactly my point.

 

That totally ignores the near constant barrage of shit anyone who voted remain gets off the leave camp for hating the country, bugger off to europe if you don't like it etc so I think we can both comfortably agree it's a failure of the political class to treat the electorate like adults. I didn't vote remain just to adda bit of clarity.

 

I mean it didn't surprise me because that was literally the point I was trying to make, thanks for proving me right mate!

Have fun with your 'mates' who don't have the slightest clue who you even are lol