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Excellent post and agree with most of it, Have always been of the opinion that leaving especially without a deal will be a shock to the economy, However our economy is a strong one and it will recover fairly quickly within months, Long term is another matter and the EU has been good for the UK but has held us back as well so believe long term we will be better off,
Was listening to the German trade minister who was giving the opinion that if we left with no deal then an arrangement or deal would be offered by the EU and in place within a couple of months as the shock to the EU economy started to panic them in to a good temporary deal.

 

Maybe when Cameron went cap in hand for a better deal that is just what should have been offered instead of the rubbish he came back with.
Even now the EU can avoid a no deal with a bit more leniency, amend the back stop and then allow a period of time to work on the details, as I say it's still doable if they want to.

 

I'll play my top trump card here, 'Took us into an illegal war while looking for mythical weapons of mass destruction resulting in the deaths of half a million people'. Good old Tony, showed his true colours in the end. Maybe we should ask how him and his wife have amassed a personal fortune of over £100 million between them? Nowt like a good war here and there to get the old bank account booming.

 

Actually that is a very important point you raise and I have to say I agree with you.

 

Yer alright Trev, i can see the world very clearly thank you. The establishment might pull the wool over the eyes of many but not me.

 

By keeping the question somewhat vague, it's allowed people to attach whatever narrative they want to the result and declare they have a mandate for this that and the other, when all people were asked is do you want to leave. What we should have done is had two votes, one on yes or no and if it was leave, how do you want to leave and would you accept a no deal brexit. They hoodwinked us all by reducing 40 odd years of intertwined legislation into a yes or no answer.

 

Rofl!!!!!!

'right wing extremists are now a greater threat than radical islamic terrorism'

Are you for real? Seriously. That is a ridiculous thing to say. And it is an absolutele lie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2019

It is pretty much a long list of Islamic terror reigned on people across the world and you can go back to any month you like. And it has been that way for DECADES.

It is wrong that people like you are going round telling people these lies as there are gullible people out there that believe it. Luckily, most people have sufficient commonsense to be able to differentiate between outright lies and the obvious reality of the situation.

 

Ask our overworked secret service who is the greater threat, pretty damned sure they will not agree with you

 

You really need to read up on your history. The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion.

As for crossover in religious texts, that is just on a very superficial level. If you read the Hadith I think you'll realise the beliefs of Christians and Muslims are poles apart.

You do have a point regarding Wahhabism, but it isn't just that group that is a concern. It is the Islamic ideology in general as followed in its true form Islam is clearly NOT compatible with any other religion, which is why there are so few countries in the world where Muslims are integrating into the host culture without major issues.

Trust me, I've always wanted to live in a world where we could live together as one. I think that is what most people want worldwide.

As for mentioning that horrible Tony Blair and the British Empire, come on. That's a low blow. You'll be blaming us all for the slave trade next and wanting us to pay compensation.

You can't win an argument by dredging up things from centuries ago, otherwise we'll have to be bringing up the Roman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, Alexander the Great, the Apaches, the Aztecs, and don't forget all the raping and pillaging by the Vikings

It's been fun debating, but we'll just have to agree to disagree my friend. I think we both want the same thing - world peace - which is admirable. Hopefully future generations will choose to follow Bob's version of God or become Buddhists, as there aren't many troubles in the world caused by the Buddhists, bless 'em.

 

2 mass shootings in the US in the space of hours. The people of free world need not worry though, the Pres sends his thoughts and prayers.

 

Yet very few if any politicians are calling for gun control, Even the Democrats are shying away from doing anything that would stop the freedom to own guns, Like it or not the vast majority of Americans will not vote for a politician who stood on gun control it is so entrenched in their beliefs.
Not even the sainted Obama after Sandy Hook where 28 was shot dead did anything about controlling guns blaming the gunman and not the gun.
Common sense would say that strong gun control would help stop these attacks but while the vast majority of citizens believe that freedom equates to owning a gun little will change and we will be back in the future with another massacre no matter who is in control of the White House

 

No matter which way you voted nobody should be ashamed of exercising their right to take part in democracy. And it’s poor form from you to try say people should, it was a yes no vote. You go on about how dangerous talk of dictatorship is then try shame anyone who votes different to you.

 

Nothing precious about it, we both know exactly what you were doing.

The only way everyone will ever agree on democracy is if they take it off of us.

 

Stop being so sensitive I never said you it was a general comment, just the same as you asking any leave voters if they are ashamed.
Yes the UK will be the first (possibly of many) to leave so we will be the UK that's set's the precedence, I don't understand your first comment, I think they are all facts not just my opinion, Theresa May was weak in negotiations and never backed it up with her threat of "no deal" Christ she said it enough times in Parliament, she also said 100+ times she said the UK would exit on March 29th 2019.
The Cameron quote was fact he banned it about often enough in his fear factor comments if we dare to vote leave, so I'm not sure what you mean by that comment ?.

 

Why would you be ashamed?

Were you ashamed to vote for continued freedom of movement that has driven down wages for the low paid and made big businesses huge profits for their shareholders and directors?

Were you ashamed to support a protectionist trading block that largely prevents Africa from trading with it and so keeping hundreds of millions of Africans in poverty?

Were you ashamed to want to continue stealing trained nurses from countries who have paid to train them (and other skilled workers) rather than invest in training British people (of all ethnicities)?

I think if anyone should be ashamed it is you?

 

Wtf where has this come from? do you feel emboldened by your new Fuhrer suspending democracy today?

If anyone is to be ashamed it is you and you damn right should be. You seem not to be concerned by the fact that the PM has bypassed the constitution in an attempt to get through his aims. Now you may agree with nodeal and thats fine but suspending parliament is an afront to democracy. If he can bypass our one sovereign protection from tyranny as citizens, which is parliament, over something he sees is right today. Then what is stopping him bypassing parliament when it comes to anything else.

Maybe Boris isnt the big bad bogey man but in 10 years who knows who will get power. It could be less than that, you might have jeremy corbyn take power. What if he shuts down parliament in order to pass martial law for him to impose his own polit bureau? what then?

Supporting this act today is an act of treachery, it sets a precedent and is therefore an afront to the very thing that you say brexit is for in the first place. Democracy is a fragile system so well done and FU.

P.S the hypocrisy from your side claiming remainers asking for a second vote as being undemocratic, a vote which involves participation. Only to go and let a PM voted in by less than 0.1% of the electorate is astonishing. History wont forget your foolishness.

 

You are correct a top retired judge on Newsnight saying exactly that.
He commented it was unusual in the manner it was being used but quite lawfull and had been done as recently as John Majors days as PM.

 

We had a vote remainers sat there doing everything they could to undermine a democratic vote.

And thats fine...

When Boris takes legal steps to enact the result of the original democratic vote all of a sudden shock horror and outrage.

 

What has this country ever voted for a PM? See I always thought you voted for a party......

 

I am pro democracy through and through so any attempt to be undemocratic from anyone - left, right or center - is, IMHO, not just wrong but outrageous.

You're assuming I voted, or would vote for Boris.

I don't think any of our current band of politicians REALLY represents the people of the country, which is why we've ended up in mess from day 1.