BCWFC Chairman Resigns in 'Ban the Burka' row

No i don’t. I’m not that bothered about the comments that this person has allegedly made. What irks me somewhatnis that someone has gone out of their way to search the social media history of this person. For what reason? Can it be for any other reason than to look for offence. Had these alleged comments not come to light, whats to say this person could not have done the job he was employed to do at the best of his ability. I’d go as far to say that the person would have done his job and no one would have batted an eyelid.

 

This thread is full of hypocirtes. The same people that want religion banned and refer to it as "mumbo jumbo" beliefs or any other preffered insult are the same ones that accuse religious people of being intolerant towards other people's views and general way of living.

Funny how that works.

I look forward to all the freedom of speech advocates rallying around Naz Shah the next time she makes an ill-informed generalisation on someones race/religion.

 

they were suspended sorry but here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/19/disappointing-and-deluded-imam-lambasts-tory-hopefuls-on-islamophobia

 

Yes you are right they were suspended

 

I still think people are missing the point in terms of categorizing the burka/veil as an essential Muslim garment. It seems that is the main reason why people think we shouldn't criticize it.

Wearing the veil is an unusual choice in many parts of the Muslim world, apart from Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Even in Iran, where wearing the Hijab is mandatory by law for women, it's still very unusual for women to wear the veil. There are several Muslim countries that have prescriptive laws on the veil, either banning it or placing restrictions on where it can be worn. Even Egyptian lawmakers are considering banning the wearing of the veil in public places and an Egyptian Imam supported France's ban on the veil.

Whether it is a religious garment or a cultural innovation, it is still an unusual and controversial choice of attire in many parts of the Muslim world and I don't think we should be shy about criticizing it either.

 

Find it strange the attitude of basically accepting what he said and posted and the person in the wrong is the person that reported them. As a society we have a responsibility to get rid of all kinds of discrimination and if by reporting them confronts it then that's what we have to do.
As it was only posted a few months ago how do you know it's not someone that has him on Facebook and remembers him posting it? It's hardly the right attitude for someone who is meant to be the chairman of an inclusive football club, what message does that send to any women who wear burka's and want to go watch the womens team or play or have a daughter who wants to play.

 

I can't say that an item of cloth offends me cos it doesn't.

What bemuses me is why a woman feels that wearing a full face veil is required.

I am uneducated in this matter for sure.

Why don't males have to wear the same attire?

 

Okay I have now read it.

I can't find the bit where he says anything racist. All I could find was him saying something about burkhas and about if people don't want to follow our laws then they should go somewhere else. Surely that isn't what all this fuss is about!!!

If that is what this story is about I dread the future as it would indicate that the thought police had taken over and that freedom of speech was now a thing of the past.

 

Why instead don't we send a message to women thats its alright not to wear the bloody burka and that they are free to walk around with their face on show for all to see? Its the 21st century FFS, women should not have to walk around with their faces covered.

 

Somebody or an ideology is telling them to cover their faces. We live in a strange world.

 

That's not quite accurate is it? He wasn't referring to society as a whole, he specifically singled out Muslims. Not just Muslim law breakers either, but Muslims in general. A lot different to making a harmless comment opposing people who don't obey UK law.

 

Is there a transcript of what he has reportedly said? If there is i'll take a look and see what the supposed fuss is about?

 

Here, here.

Women in this country fought for decades to have equal rights and women being covered head to toe in black is a whopping step backwards.

Anyone who knows anything about Islam knows full well that the veil has nada to do with the religion and everything to do with a male dominated culture.

By the way, when Islam becomes the dominant religion in any country women start to either be forced to or expected to cover up and that doesn't matter what religion you might be.

Check out the troubles in Iran that are ongoing over the obligatory wearing of the headscarf. Is this what we really want for our women in this country?

Or how about going to the Odeon at Thornbury and watching a Pakistani movie or check some of the ones out on Netflix and Amazon Prime. And I don't mean Indian Bollywood, I mean proper Pakistani movies in Urdu Trust me, I've seen lots, and you can count on one finger the amount of face veils you will see. The only time you see it in a Pakistani movie is when they want to depict repressed women living in a little tribal village. Hmmmm, maybe that is what Bradford has become.

 

That is who he was referring to. Watch the excellent Hometown documentary on the BBC and you'll realise that pretty much 100 percent of the drug trade is controlled by Muslim gangs and large amounts are coming in from Pakistan. Read the T and A and you will see the same thing. Or check out retrospective planning applications, or go to Armley (yes I've been many times - long story) and you will see the disproportionate amount of Muslims banged up there.

Luckily, there are some awesome Muslims (mainly women, but some good men too) who have recognised all of this and are brave enough to put their necks on the line in their communities to do something about it. That is huge, as it takes courage to admit there IS a massive problem, and takes guts to then get up and do something. Thanks to them we will hopefully have progress, but it will be with no thanks to the apologists who deny there are any problems and that everything is coming up roses.

 

Hard to disagree with that. And therein lies a problem. Mention this in the houses of Parliament and you would be deemed Islamaphobic. Or if your on the other side of the house the problem is anti semetic. Two thought processes designed to stifle debate and opinion. Which, if we carry on as we are doing, we will be lucky to still be able to do after the thought police have finished their clap down.

 

I'm just going purely on what's written in the article which suggests that he singled out only one religion and put all of them in the same bracket. If he didn't, then it's obviously misleading, inaccurate reporting isn't it.

 

There is literally zero evidence for this. "Muslims" refers to all Muslims- good and bad. Therein lies your problem.

 

Maybe, and i'm guessing because i don't have either the 'article' or any other transcripts from the person involved, he was relating his comments towards various reports in the media of Sharia Law being quoted. Problem with is no one knows or will probably never know what he meant with his messages and social media posts.

 

No, you've interpreted that, just like others have.

 

So what you're saying is nobody can say anything for fear of offending someone else.

Two words.

Ann Cryer

Thanks to people with your attitude thousands of children have been raped and nobody did a thing to help them for over a decade.

Of course there are good Muslims. Whoever said there wasn't. There are bad ones too. Just like there are good and bad English people, good and bad politicians and good and bad pop stars.

Are you saying that people are never allowed to say things for fear of offending the ones who are good?

Put it this way, if there are bad English people (which there are) I want everyone, from all communities, to feel free to speak out without fear of losing their jobs or being accused of racism or any other ism come to that. I won't be offended. I will be pleased that people feel comfortable to say how they feel and not feel worried that the politically correct thought police will come after them.