Adam Chicksen vs Conor Wood: Statistics

The sort of stats you really want to see (but which are not available to joe public for League One) are number of key blocks and interceptions, tackles won, number of crosses they get in etc.

Maybe the club have access to these via the scouting system? Ive never seen the scouting system so not totally sure, but the matches are all recorded and we employ a performance analyst do we not?

Maybe the fact we signed Woods was a suggestion neither have fared very well on the stats??

 

All you need to do is look at the Wyscout reports provided by Dmitry in the city match videos forum!

 

You're right, Josh Wright is lazy which is why Hopkin doesn't want him here. Chicksen isn't lazy but as I said his effort when putting in a challenge, for a defender, is appalling. For me, that is as bad as Wright walking around on the pitch doing nothing.

 

Never knew about these. Will have a browse.

 

He put in a number of strong challenges on Saturday.
We'll have to agree to differ. He's far from great, but I don't see the lack of effort that you do. Clearly neither does Hoppy, or he wouldn't be playing.

 

I'm amazed if you don't see him bottle challenges every game. I've said many times I can tolererate him being a poor player but I can stand players who tin out of challenges, especially defenders.

 

I'm just offering a general opinion on Chicksen, not so much a direct comparison of him and Wood.

Caddis has been a revelation - but that's also relative to the rest of the time rather than what he's doing in isolation. Caddis isn't going to move to a bigger club, he won't win awards and he's generally steady rather than outstanding. Just what we need. It stands out all the more because other defenders have been so poor. At times O'Connor, McGowan, NKP and Chicksen have been schoolboy in their levels of defending. The difference with the 3 centre halves is that I've seen them have some very good games as well as some very bad ones. O'Connor was my MOTM on Saturday. With Chicksen, I don't recall him ever being better than 'ok'. Our problems won't vanish by replacing him - but it'll be a start along the right lines.

 

I think we're talking at cross purposes. You said he lacks effort. 'Bottling' challenges is not the same a lack of effort.
Chicksen is very physically lightweight for a pro fullback. I agree that there are times when he doesn't attempt a challenge, I assume because he thinks he'll be outmuscled and lose it, or will get hurt. On other occasions he goes in quite hard and wins challenges. I think it's a timing thing - if he can size it up and get in early he goes for it - even against bigger opponents - but if he's not balanced, or being outpaced, he tends to hold off and try to cover rather than tackle. Sometimes that's the correct decision, but sometimes he gets it wrong.
I don't think it's lack of effort. I think it's lack of confidence in his physical strength.

 

I agree. He certainly didn't bottle out of the challenge when his cheekbone got smashed nor when he picked up an injury at Fleetwood when their player got sent off. This Saturday at Wycombe there was certainly 1 hefty challenge he went in for.

 

Absolutely spot on @hippo but @JonButterfield won't entertain that his stats don’t hold up. He says he wanted to use them to encourage debate, but there is clearly no debate if you disagree with him...!

Those stats do not prove anything (even if he refuses to accept this). Maybe he should check out the stats referred to elsewhere (by Dimitri?)

 

I'd go along with all of that - if the game could be reduced to stats we might as well roll dice. They are always going to be a skewed snapshot used to prove / disprove a point of view.

 

But you have hand-selected your data. That is EXACTLY what you did. I have asked you many times why you have included games where Wood played elsewhere but left/back. Why would you do this if not to try to prove your point?

I have continued to say that you are simply taking out all other variables (as have other people), but again you insist that your stats stand up. THEY DON’T. The only way of doing this is to check how many crosses are put in and how many are blocked for each player.

You may not have SAID that your stats prove anything but your whole tone when questioned (not just by me but many others), suggests you desperately wanted them to be true and have vehemently INDICTED they are the only way of settling this.

 

See what I mean. How dare anyone suggest the stats you are using are irrelevant as to which left-back is better at stopping chances...!

I give up..!!!!

 

No, not necessarily and that’s the part you are not getting. If I was selected and was getting skinned time and time again, but my team mates were covering my ass, does that mean I have made a contribution to the clean sheet and win? Does it feck...!

I raised the point about crosses, because surprise surprise, that’s the frigging job of a full back. If he's not cutting out crosses, he's failing to do his job, irrespective of how his team mates cover up for him.

Get it now? No, I didn’t think so and on that basis, I’m walking away..!