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Next Prime Minister (with October 2022 poll)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, Jul 12, 2022.

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Who will be the new Tory party leader and Prime Minister

Poll closed Oct 25, 2022.
  1. Kemi Badenoch

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Suella Braverman

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Tom Tugendhat

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Boris Johnson

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  5. Sajid Javid

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Penny Mordaunt

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  7. Priti Patel

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  8. Grant Shapps

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Rishi Sunak

    10 vote(s)
    35.7%
  10. Nadhim Zahawi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Coco The Clown

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. Offcomedun

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    One of the reasons that Rishi Sunak gave for resigning as Chancellor - apart from Johnson's unprincipled behaviour, of course - was that Johnson is incapable of making hard economic choices. Because of Truss and Kwarteng's disastrous tenure, those choices are now even harder.
    Johnson isn't a cautious, austerity type. He's a big promise, big spending, big project ideas guy - like 'Levelling Up' (remember that). He's probably the worst PM to have in charge during a period of recession/inflation/spiralling debt/housing market uncertainty etc etc.
    TBH I'm quite surprised that he'd even want to take on the poison chalice that Truss has left. Only a supreme narcissist like Johnson wouldn't recognise that his skill set is completely the wrong one for the current situation.
     
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    Said on here the day Boris resigned that he would be back and nothing has changed my mind that we are in for Boris 2
     
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    Exactly the problem - apart from Truss' none action having any effect of course.

    But this is the decision. We all know Sunak is the sensible, cautious and probably right choice although it's tricky having mini-austerity or taking even more money out of people's pockets portrayed as the correct route.

    Whereas Johnson is the almost traditional left candidate of big hope. Free spending can continue and just will, positivity and personality can overcome everything else. It's tempting but in our heart of hearts we all really know it can't work.
     
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    The markets will give Boris much more room than Rishi. They expect sound decisions from Rishi but will give the clown Boris more room than the grown up Rishi
     
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    The Clown will not be standing after all. The fascists will be heartbroken.
     
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    Comeback delayed
     
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    Back in 2 years, why am I even saying this ..?
    Johnson, Sunak, Mordant, Starmer , Raynor... none can deliver what the country needs, we're stuffed ...bring on Sir Nige
     
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  9. Aaron Baker

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    Good decision by Johnson and showing relatively unprecedented levels of self awareness. There's probably a bit of self interest in there as well since he probably is better off long term not being associated with the economic horror show that is coming.

    Wish that Mordaunt would get a chance but realistically it's over and Sunak will be in #10 by Wednesday.
     
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    Depends how many of those who would have supported Johnson transfer their vote to Mordaunt. If she can get to 100 then she'd probably win the membership vote , because they don't seem to like Sunak
     
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    I suspect Boris couldn't get a 100 MPs to back him, hence him trying to get Penny Mordaunt to step down and back him.
     
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    Agree but she'd have all the same issues as you mentioned Johnson would have done with minority MP support without the benefit of a "name".

    There's a little bit of me that thinks that even if she won it would be a matter of time until the same thing that happened to Truss happened to her. There seems to be an element who want Sunak in power regardless of what the membership or the general public think and they're clearly going to get their way.
     
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    Boris knows they will lose the next GE and will be waiting to take over when that happens. He is no fool but just acts it.

    Sunak is a rat and with his wife being a billionaire I just can't see how the general public will warm to him. His first mission has to be to talk with the Bank Of England to try to slow down these interest rate increases and tackle the fuel prices.
     
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    Johnson might have had 100 backers in principle, but I don't think his strategy was ever realistically to go toe to to with Sunak or Mordaunt. He was brokering a back room deal to ensure they pulled out and left him the centre lane under the (IMO nonsense) pretence of 'only I can avoid a general election'.

    Once he couldn't do that, there's bugger all point in running. He might have been able to get to 100 on paper, but if there are 260 others who are literally voting for anyone but you, then what does that say about your ability to actually do anything other than humiliation after humiliation?
     
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    Penny has dropped out, so obviously didn’t get the 100.

    Rishi to be announced shortly
     
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    So, Brutus gets the gig then.
     
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    I don't see why being a successful and rich businessman is a disqualifier for being Prime Minister. This is a man who clearly understands numbers and finance. This does not make him a worse candidate than an impoverished working person. I think that dismissing him as being out of touch is, well, out of touch. A major upgrade on Liz Truss.
     
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    An Asian as PM must be making some on here feel sick.

    Not naming any names...
     
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    He's not really a rich and successful businessman. He just married the daughter of a billionaire. The discourse on this has gone a bit out of control.

    What I do have a bit of an issue with was while he was chancellor, his wife was declaring as a non-dom to reduce tax liabilities, while he was raising taxes on the rest of us.
     
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    Apparently got to 90. Must be feeling pretty gutted.
     
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