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Fans Back At VP - A Plan

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BSABantam74, May 14, 2020.

  1. Aleman

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    You assume rules won't keep getting relaxed - but they do. This from Hungary - 1.5m spacing indoors:

    Government spokesperson Alexandra Szentkirályi said wedding parties with up to 200 guests would be allowed outside of the capital from June 1, as long as guests from separate households keep a distance of at least 1.5 m apart.
     
  2. Dennis

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    Those rules wouldn't comply with the UK's social distancing. The Hungarian 'rules' lead to a usage of about 12.5% and their social distancing is less stringent than the UK's. I posted yesterday that complying with the UK's own rules would probably require 2 (or even 3) empty rows and 3 (or more likely 4) empty seats between fans which would mean a usage of about 8% (with 2 empty rows and 3 empty seats) of the current capacity or about 2,000 or so at VP. The idea of 25% of the capacity being used is for the birds at the moment. It would require a major relaxation of the rules to get more fans into the stadia. And that would be a big decision for the Govt since it wouldn't simply be football which would be affected.
     
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  3. Bigrod

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    The whole issue of distance can be very confusing. If you have been in any of the very large out of town shopping centres, then there is far more space than in a traditional shop.
    As I understand it, the proximity issue is probably reduced if you are outside. However places like football stadiums with their roofs and deep seats are likely to have different conditions in a variety of locations, the further back you are into the stadium, then the air may not circulate as freely. So risk factors could be greater at the back and top of a stand than close to the pitch, which is less enclosed.
    There you go, lets get a retractable roof on the three larger stands! :joy:
     
  4. JonButterfield

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    The 2 metre rule is arbitrary, and how easy it is to decrease the distance will depend on how vehemently the government defend that with 'science'.

    The WHO have said 1 metre is adequate, and let's be honest, given the relaxation is driven by the economy rather than the virus, we should probably just fall in line with the WHO. We are meant to be breaking the rules, absolutely no question, it is 100 % by design by Boris and co. - so why persist with something that isn't supported by the international scientific community?

    I'll go out on a limb and say I would be extremely surprised if next season (delayed or otherwise) starts behind closed doors.
     
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  5. Fordy117

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    When the scientists were talking about crowds. It's not the stadium capacity that they worry about it's the build up before and after e.g. Go to a family or mates house, go inside, all go in car, then all to the pub and the into the stadium. It's the mix together in small spaces and inside(car, pub etc).

    I think next season will start behind closed doors and the reduced capacity.

    Living in Mickey Mouse land if you think it's going to be full 14 season tickets at VP watching Bradford v Port Vale.
     
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  6. JonButterfield

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    They are worried about the build up before and after games, but only sort of.

    If the plan is for thousands of kids to attend schools come September, or for pubs to be open come July, any social distancing requirements in August will be negligible.

    If stadiums aren't open in August, it's for show ONLY. To say 'look, we're still trying to suppress the virus'.

    If people can go back to work, if supermarkets can be flooded with people not social distancing in any way shape or form, if beauty hotspots can be packed out, and if that can all happen for the next two months without serious consequence, the idea of keeping stadiums closed is an absolute nonsense.

    I accept there might be a reduced capacity, but that reduction will need to be limited by a decrease in the expected social distancing - it should be one metre, and since finances dictate it would be better at one metre as opposed to two, it will happen under this government.

    Pubs and bars might as well stay shut if the distance of 2 metres is maintained, therefore it won't be.
     
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  7. Fordy117

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    The 2m rule isn't going to change mate. They've been asked about this a million times and even on the adverts the main point is 2m.

    Yes in other countries it's its 1-1.5m but we want 2m because it's the safest long distance.

    The shopping centres have been told 2m for covid19 need to be applied.

    They not going to reduce it for restaurants and pubs to 1-1.5m it's not happening.
     
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    There was an article which suggested That the FA cup final could be played in front of a gate of 25% capacity. Wembley is a modern stadium, with wide concourses, the seats seem further apart and space on the actual row, front to back, greater than at VP. However I assume some objective criteria has been employed, to come up with the figure. It would be interesting to see the formula applied to Valley Parade, and some sort of figure provided.
    The issue of fans returning is covered at length in a Width of a Post article.
    There are certainly a lot of logistics to iron out, should a green light be forthcoming on reopening Valley Parade. But this could allow for City to play in front of crowds of 6-7,000, with everyone social distancing. (Crowd capacity will depend on if the government reduces the 2 metre rule to 1 metre, in line with WHO guidelines, by autumn. If 2 metres remains, the crowd allowed might be more like 4,000.). It would be weird and would certainly not make for a brilliant atmosphere, yet it would at least be something”. Link to the full article https://widthofapost.com/2020/06/01/when-will-we-be-able-to-return-to-valley-parade/

    Also https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8373043/20-000-fans-attend-FA-Cup-final-coronavirus-infection-rate-drops-0-5.html
     
  9. Dennis

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    I have no idea whether 1 metre social distancing is correct or not. But the UK''s current policy is 2 metre and will stay that way until the Govt's advisers say otherwise. You may know better

    For arguments sake, let's assume for the moment that at some stage it is reduced to 1 metre. The impact of that at VP would still require empty seats in the stadium. Two empty seats between fans and one empty row in two. That suggests the capacity being reduced to about 16% or about 4,000 fans. And that still doesn't deal with the other difficulties of fans moving about the stadium where social distancing would still be necessary. This is all predicated on reducing the Govt's social distancing instruction to 1 metre as you suggest and there's no sign of that happening.

    What we have therefore is a capacity of about 2,000 fans with the Govt's current social distancing of 2m; a capacity of about 3,000 if we adopt Hungary's 1.5m metric; and about 4,000 if your 1 metre suggestion is adopted.
     
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    Totally agree. The lockdown is coming to an end and relaxation of the rules are inevitable.
     
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    Not true though in terms of the suggested social distance

    Currently offices, hotels, restaurants, pubs, clubs, football stadiums, churches are all closed. This relaxtion of the rules is a slow burner.

    The distance will remain. It will be 2m or nothing.
     
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  12. JonButterfield

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    You've been saying change is going to be extremely slow for weeks, and the situation changes dramatically every week.
     
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    £20 side bet to the Burns Unit (@Bronco@Bronco hmmm, what you think?) that social distancing rules of 2m are relaxed by end of July. You in or all talk?
     
  14. Aleman

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    From what the scientists seem to be saying, I think there is a strong case to keep social distancing at 2 metres. However, the scientists have also said that it may be possible to reduce the distance with mitigation (I have read that as meaning masks which can reduce the distance the virus can travel from the mask wearer).

    On that basis, I'd imagine that the 2 metre rule will (should) stay in place, with the possibility of it being reduced, to 1 metre, in areas where face masks are compulsory.

    Even with a reduction to 1 metre in football grounds, it will be very difficult to manage at Valley parade and most other grounds.
     
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    I cant really see how many ground can be open with any metre rule. Unless you ban that bloke on my row that needs to piss 4 times a game.
     
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  17. Aleman

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    Did I not read somewhere that the aim was 25% in September, 50% in November and 100% in January, or am I imagining it? If so it would render discussion here somewhat moot. If all goes well in other countries, they might even drag that forward.

    I presume they won't do season tickets and can charge higher prices for game by game, then revert to season tickets next year - not necessarily at the traditionally low prices we used to have if we have got used to higher prices in the meanwhile? could be wrong. There'll be arguments whichever way so why not get as much money in as possible to cover the earache?
     
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    I believe you know what I think with regards "the bet", I get the easing of lockdown but unfortunatly we saw things over the weekend that were hardly social distancing and the police were helpless.
    Maybe Boris needs to retract the comment, I trust the British people to act in a responsible manner.
     
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    Bet he's the same one that finds his seat 2 mins after match has started and leaves for a piss 2 mins before half time, comes back 2 mins after 2nd half starts and to cap it all leaves with the game on a knife edge 2 mins before final whistle.......
     
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  20. Tennesseebantam

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    Don't see any problem with distancing. Just tell anyone who asks you've driven 260 miles to get here and you've come to check your eyes before risking driving back. Easy innit.
     

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