Stuart return?

was simply responding to people that refuse to give him any credit.

 

The truth is somewhere in between your posts and the replies. He has his faults, certainly in his first spell as City manager and less so in his second spell, his second spell somewhat derailed by off the field interference, but still had an infuriating habit of worrying to much about the opposition.

That said, we can’t just ignore his Wembley playoff final or his successful period with Motherwell just because it suits certain posters agenda. He will more than likely get a crack somewhere else, he’s a great man manager and players genuinely like to play for him.
But not at Bradford again, theres too much emotion that comes from his past. I hope he gets success down the line though.

 

That's all I'm trying to get people to see. that he does indeed have decent work on his managerial CV. it's not all abject failure.

 

I agree, dismissing his role at Motherwell did make me laugh. And certainly his second spell at City very nearly added to what is a magnificent career at Bradford.
His tactics can be found wanting at times, just like any manager and there are flaws to his management thay seem to be clear when the wheels start to fall off.
But definitely worth a punt for any club looking for a new manager.

 

No thank you, enjoyed watching him play but he has too much emotion to be a successful manager at bradford city, away at a different from bradford I feel with the correct assistant he may in time be a good manager.

 

What a great forum format - where posters ‘thank’ each other for their contribution

 

Yeah, you’re doing a great job with Stuarttalk.com too

 

No, thank you.

 

Here's a list of the managers you will have seen and what they achieved in your 17 seasons as a season ticket holder and you say "Stuart offers very little compared to others :
played won lost drawn win %
Nicky Law England 01 January 2002 9 November 2003 87 23 21 43 26.4
Bryan Robson England 24 November 2003 17 June 2004 28 7 1 20 25.0
Colin Todd England 18 June 2004 12 February 2007 139 44 46 49 31.7
Stuart McCall Scotland 22 May 2007 8 Feb 2010 133 46 35 52 34.6
Peter Taylor England 17 Feb 2010 26 Feb 2011 25 10 5 10 40.0
Phil Parkinson England 29 Aug 2011 10 June 2016 196 68 62 66 34.69
Stuart McCall Scotland 20 June 2016 5 February 2018 96 44 24 28 45.8

Looking at those stats there is only Phil Parkinson and Peter Taylor who have a better record that Stuart McCall in either of his spells as Bradford City manager, and Really Peter Taylor's spell shouldn't count as he was only in charge of 25 games.
And that is obviously only your opinion because if not can I have the 6 lotto numbers for Saturday, you can obviously predict the future.

 

The hard part is doing it when it counts. When the pressure is on and when things are going wrong that’s when character and leadership come out

 

No thank you, enjoyed watching him play but he has too much emotion to be a successful manager at bradford city, away at a different from bradford I feel with the correct assistant he may in time be a good manager.

 

No thank you, enjoyed watching him play but he has too much emotion to be a successful manager at bradford city, away at a different from bradford I feel with the correct assistant he may in time be a good manager.

 

Unless things are going horribly wrong it doesn't count, I see. so because we didn't have a bad run during that first season it doesn't actually count. now I understand!

that would explain your love of Parky - there were numerous points it went horribly wrong during his time in charge.

 

It's weird though because I've never said he's the worst manager ever or that his CV is completely negative. All I'm saying is that there are some caveats to his best achievements when they're looked at closely.

He did a good job in his return season with us but in he also had the benefit of a core of players who had the character and togetherness to give him an amazing base on which to start. McArdle, Darby, Meredith, Marshall, McMahon, Hanson, Clarke and even Cullen (who likely wouldn't have come to Bradford if he hadn't already been here the year before) made that job easier.

You would have to do something seriously wrong to rock the boat with that group of players and make them regress. Then being able to upgrade Hanson for Wyke must have been a god send. The atmosphere off the pitch was the most positive it's ever been as well. That's one season with no end result though.

He also did a very decent job at Motherwell for the first couple of season. It just wasn't amazing as you like to portray due to the Rangers issue I keep mentioning plus they were already a top 6/latter stages of the cup/Europa league qualification sort of team. He didn't bring Motherweel from the depths of the table to crack the Old Firms dominance.

As I mention though they're are certain aspects I judge managers on;

1. Progress - The ability to leave a team in a better position than you found them. He's never done that.
2. Promotions - Never done that
3. Big moments - I go to football for the memories and the times when you go "I was there when........." I can't think of one under McCall. Even the Play Off final was a damp squib and of the 4 times I've been to Wembley easily the least memorable. All my memories of crucial games under McCall end in disappointment.
4. Team building - I want to see proper players brought in that you can identify with. With the exception of Hanson and Thorne I can't think of a single player brought in under McCall that was actually good and I "like" as a guy. For all that McCall was a player I've never got the impression he could build a team in his own image.
5. Professionalism. This is my perception rather than objective. Lawn's son playing in friendlies for us first time around, the drinking on the pre-season tour in Germany, Clarke and Conlon getting pissed on an away trip, the players (including the captain) getting wasted at the PoTY award before the season has actually ended. It's just my preference but I don't like the boys club aspect of it, I want our players & staff to act like professional athletes when they're not behind closed doors.

So there you are. I can give him credit when he's done well but he ticks none of my boxes as a good manager.

He's had 5 jobs and an 11 year management career and I don't think he's done enough to be considered anything above bang average, if not a little below, and I can't figure out why we'd want that?

 

The fact that we finished every season higher than the season before highlights my point

 

As usual - any slight shred of credit you can give him has to be followed up with several negatives. it's a bit weird.

 

and Stuart took us one step further than Parkinson did. we can all play that game.

 

Honestly. It's not a negative to give the context.

The fact you think looking into the situation of the jobs he did is a negative is the strange bit.

 

I would leave it while your behind if I were you