Dad needs deporting so he can be back with his daughter like he wishes.
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It is a very sad situation.
She was, along with the other two, a fifteen year old girl when she left this country for ISIS. Whilst there is the argument for personal responsibility, and that exists in law, we also have laws to protect children.
We should remember all three were children at the time of their leaving. We have laws to protect children because they can be coerced and exploited. The woman is now 19 and has her third child according to reports, it doesn't take a genius to work out she was was likely underage when her first child was conceived.
I've no sympathy with ISIS, they are abhorrent. I also find it hard to understand how anyone could want to associate with them. However, I would argue a strong case for the girls effectively being groomed and I wish they could have been protected from those people who enticed them to go.
Should she return to the country? I would say that is very difficult.
I am sure I will get slated for my opinion, but as I find ISIS abhorrent, so do I also find the calls for her death above. Putting a woman to death because they have a different belief, particularly in view of her age at the time she went, seems more akin to the ISIS world-view then that of a civilized society.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...baldbantam, Bantamshell, Amber and 2 others like this. -
Oh dear... How sad... Never mind!!Utters0, Bronco, Idlebantam and 2 others like this. -
Let her bloody well rot. She's made her bed ... she can chuffin lie in it. No doubt though the bleeding heart liberals will be pleading the case for her to be allowed to return.
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It’s sad for her kid but she made a decision at 15, which may have been too young to make that decision responsibly to join those bastards. She is now 19, old enough to make decisions responsibly and she still sees nothing wrong with what she did, isn’t bothered seeing severed heads because they were of non believers.
Her beliefs are not compatible with those of this country, she does not belong here and poses a serious security risk to us if she is here. No way should she be allowed back.NorthernMonkey, Tony Wilkinson, Bronco and 1 other person like this. -
I'd like to see her left to her own devices in the Syrian refugee camp for the time being until it suits the country to repatriate her. And then to return her to the UK to face our justice and not the kind of justice dished out summarily by Isis and their type. That will send a clear message to anybody else thinking along similar lines that if you aren't killed in the caliphate, you'll face justice here with the likelihood of a very long gaol term in a maximum security prison. That would send a strong message to anybody thinking along similar lines. They won't become martyrs; they'll become prisoners in the UK.
Perhaps more importantly, it would also have the added benefit of providing our own security and police services with access to Ms Begum.
Three 15 year old girls from London didn't find their own way to Turkey and then across a heavily armed border into Syria and then to the Isis controlled area without firstly being groomed and secondly. without the support of somebody or more like a group of somebodies to get themselves there. Who are these people operating in our country against the best interests of the rest of us? Let's at least give the security services an opportunity to find out rather than just ignoring the existence of these mysterious people in the background who could well do something similar or worse again. If our security services don't get an opportunity to question her, we'll never know how she was helped or by whom.Amber, Interested Bystander, Bronco and 1 other person like this. -
These people arent stupid, they are clever and manipulative. How many of the offenders of hate crime and mass slaying in this country have been "known" to authorities, been on watchlists, etc yet still managed to pull off an attack. Imagine the outcry of her being allowed into the country and in two years time pulling off a suicide bus attack or similar. Its highly possible
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For one thing, even if they were groomed/brainwashed, they are still dangerous. This one particularly so given that she is apparently unrepentant.
Secondly, I don't think that we should compare a teenager who joins a terrorist group to a teenager who is targeted by a pervert and groomed purely to have sex with them. The word "grooming" in this sense makes me uneasy.
If a young teenager is targeted by an adult and persuaded or coerced into having sex with them then the child bears no moral responsibility for that act. The child hasn't committed an immoral deed, they are the victim of an immoral deed because at that age they are not expected to be able understand the complexities of "adult" relationships and hence they are easy targets for manipulation by predators. I think that a large percentage of young teenagers, if left without guidance or social support, could fall victim to a sex predator if placed in that situation.
On the other hand I think it's entirely reasonable to expect a fifteen year old to understand that beheading people or burning people alive is wrong. Children can grasp the morality of these subjects at a much younger age than they can understand the rights and wrongs of a sexual encounter. This particular ISIS bride didn't fall in love with a sweetheart and move to Syria to join him, she moved to Syria and then subsequently applied to marry an ISIS fighter who she had never met or spoken to before. That to me indicates she is a dangerous ideologue who is thoroughly convinced that ISIS did nothing wrong when they were beheading people and throwing their heads in bins.Utters0, Steve1970, Bronco and 1 other person like this. -
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How can the US possibly be anywhere near as bad as Syria and it's ilk, they are the only ones that would likely help us after we have sleepwalked into the terror that will surely befall our land at some time in the future, the danger is already here in bucketfulls....Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Berkshire-bantam, RonnieBrown, Utters0 and 1 other person like this. -
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She will be allowed back eventually but the longer and more difficult we can make it the better, It is doubtful she will be prosecuted for anything serious due to lack of evidence, She shows some fake remorse now that her advisers are guiding her to not show her true feelings in an attempt to repair the damage her original interviews did, Once back she will cost the country millions of pounds in support for her and her child and in watching her because it is obvious because she believes in the ISIS cause and that given the chance she will join others with the same view and try do damage here in the UK, She will join the hundreds perhaps thousands of ISIS supporters in this country and be-headings of innocent people and other atrocious acts are a real prospect unless the security services can stop them, as usual it will be the innocent who pay the price for the rights of the people who wish to destroy our way of life
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The name George Osborne to back up your argument doesn't help you
This isn't just right-wingers and social conservatives that want her gone,plenty on the working class left are even more hardened on this subject.Rogered Tart, trevor, Bronco and 1 other person like this. -
Let the bitch rot in hell.Steve1970, Tony Wilkinson, Bronco and 1 other person like this. -
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She made up her mind to go support isis in their campaign now she wants to come back to Britain so she can give birth as she has lost her last 2 pregnancies because we have the health service she needs and it's all FREE. The government should turn round and say not a chance if her family are so concerned about her let them go join her but let it be known they won't be allowed back in the country.
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Great analysis from Richard Littlejohn
Should the repatriation of jihadi bride Shamima Begum go according to the usual script, she will arrive back in Britain on a private jet, chartered at tax- payers’ expense.
After a tearful reunion with her family, she will be whisked off to the BBC and interviewed sympathetically on the Today programme about the British and American ‘aggression’ which caused her to join ISIS.
We will hear how she was forced to cower in fear as Coalition bombs rained down indiscriminately on innocent women and children.
Ms Begum will talk about the terrible racism and ‘Islamophobia’ she suffered growing up in the East End of London and how she came to believe she could only find true safety and fulfilment living in the self-proclaimed Islamic State.
After being fast-tracked up the housing waiting list, she will move into a council flat with her new baby, claiming an assortment of benefits and reinventing herself as a ‘yuman rites’ activist.
Pretty soon, she’ll be reviewing the papers on Sky News and writing a column in the Guardian.
She’ll probably sue the Government for compensation. On legal aid, naturally. And win.
If we’re very lucky, her celebrity will wane eventually and she’ll be content living a normal life, quietly bringing up her child to be a model British citizen.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Berkshire-bantam, RonnieBrown and Bronco like this. -
Watch her husband who is a confirmed terrorist but has gone missing suddenly turn up claiming the right to be with his wife and child in the UK once she has come back
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