Covid & Face Masks at VP

Most of us have had these vaccines now for 6 months and their efficacy is weakening so whatever we are probably all going to have another 2 early next year if not before..

 

https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/covid-19.3663/page-601#post-541136

Maybe booster jabs later this year for people above a certain age or people with underlying conditions.

 

And someone who tests positive on a LFT (assuming they have registered it) will double count as positive if they then get another on a PCR. Some of these may have registered more than one LFT.

 

But on the flip side, we can't just lockdown on the basis something catastrophic might happen. We were told 100k+ cases per day and that removing restrictions would be a disaster a month ago. We are running at 3/10 of that projected figure, if we had stayed with restrictions I believe the figure would be similar, after all it was rising under the previous guise of restrictions anyhow.

 

There was a story about 600m LFT not being registered, the vast majority of the missing tests will be people taking a test, seeing it as negative then not bothering to register it with the NHS. After all why bother, unless it comes back as positive I don't see why you would bother acting on something.

 

I register all my negative tests because it helps the overall figures.

 

They don’t double count, plus if you test positive LFT but negative PCR your positive LFT is removed

 

I would reckon a load of them haven’t been done and are just sat either in offices or homes. We probably have about 300 at work that were sent in originally for NHS staff testing but have never been used

 

I guess that is also the case, but after doing the first 3 or 4 tests and registering them as negative, it doesn't take much if you are not required by work to register them anywhere to simply not bother. A teacher has to do so, so they will record everyone. I don't need to for work but did it initially for my own peace of mind when seeing someone back in March/April.

 

I'm still testing with a LFT test 3 times a week and never log my negative results. I wasn't even aware that I had to?

 

You don't have to. But the government would like you to.

 

There is no requirement to. I'm just pointing out that the positivity figure is a pointless stat when hundreds of thousands of negative tests aren't added to the figures. Positive ones are because thats what triggers a PCR test for confirmation.

 

And on the flip side saying increase in test explains the increase in positive cases means nothing as we don’t know how many more tests have been done because as you say most people don’t bother registering them

 

So we agree the figures are pretty meaningless.
The only ones measurable are how many people are in hospital due to covid, but we don't know that as anyone with Covid who happens to be in hospital for any reason say a broken leg is marked as a covid patient.

 

yep. The number of tests done is a pointless figure which is why I wouldn’t bring it up

 

Noticed the other day that the death figures on the BBC now say 'deaths from any cause with covid mentioned'.

Covid is awful, but the death figures actually include people who die in a traffic accident, cancer, heart attack, stroke, drowning, suicide etc and were tested positive up to 27 days previously so who nows how few have actually died solely of covid.

 

What gives us a better idea is the actual figures for mortality for any reason, that way they can't just blame deaths on covid. We have enough data for deaths that we should be able to work out a more realistic figure for the numbers who died from the virus. As an example there were roughly 90 thousand more deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. 72 thousand were officially attributed to covid, so the question is does 72 thousand extra deaths justify all the measures we have had to put up with?

 

there are two sets of figures, and always have been. One is tested positive within 28 days of death and the other is mentioned on the death certificate. The first ones gives a quicker number but the second is probably a better figure as the car accident example if someone is killed on the road probably wouldn’t have COVID listed as a cause on the death certificate as it wasn’t relevant but if they happened to have tested positive 27 days before their death it would included in the first figure

 

Yes and the headline figures that we see on the news daily are the died of any reason within 28 days of a positive test.

 

I imagine it's difficult to properly represent the figures though.

For instance, my dad was taken in with covid but already had very high blood pressure. Whilst he was fighting the Covid he then had multiple strokes due to blood clots that the doctor said could have happened at any time.

The point is, that there was more than one reason (one being covid) on the death certificate but potentially just one or possibly all of them combined were the actual cause of death.