COVID-19

If the NHS can't accommodate a 10% ICU hit, 2 years into a pandemic, with admissions, hospitalisations and deaths at a modest level compared to where we've been over the last 2 years and with a vaccine rollout programme that's advanced beyond any other country in the world, then the NHS is not fit for purpose and the issue lies with the government, not with the public and locking it down. And the pressure is about much more than COVID cases. Its also caused by staff shortages due to ridiculous isolation rules and the backing up of other health issues that aren't getting the earlier treatment needed.

The answer isn't to lock the public down!

 

so what is the answer that is going to help now?

 

Its not to lock down the public. Thats for sure. I'm not convinced that there is a clear view of the problem. The numbers don't suggest there's a severe problem. Maybe a better distribution of patients to make use of national capacity. Whatever happened to the nightingale hospitals if capacity is genuinely an issue? Let me guess - the government never thought about the staffing needs.

People need to be putting pressure on the government, not the public. Its nonsense.

 

Perspective.

Deaths with Covid given as the cause in 10 weeks to 2nd July 2021

Under 20s - 1 death
20 to 39 - 33 deaths
40 to 49 - 57 deaths
50 to 59 - 126 deaths
60 to 69 - 212 deaths
70 to 79 - 268 deaths
Over 80 - 482 deaths
Total - 1,179 deaths

Total deaths in the 10 weeks to 2nd July 2021

Under 20s - 760 deaths
20 to 39 - 1,807 deaths
40 to 49 - 2,563 deaths
50 to 59 - 5,992 deaths
60 to 69 - 10,742 deaths
70 to 79 - 21,415 deaths
Over 80 - 48,990 deaths
Total - 92,269 deaths

Source Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

 

Any other one illness, noted on death certificates, have over 1% of deaths?

 

Unfortunately you can't tell, because all they report on is Covid and non Covid deaths on their website. If I could dissect the data further I would.

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

Sounds very broad as source of information but it's far from that. It appears there are two ways to die, with or without Covid.

 

I think it was Blue Oyster Cult but point taken anyway

 

I think it was Blue Oyster Cult but point taken anyway

 

Only reason I ask was to see if it was a significant number compared to other illnesses. If it is then I can see the point of the big focus, if it isn't then it should be dropped as a major focus.

 

Yes it seems Maggie was right there is no such thing as society it’s everyone for themselves

 

Thank God for that. Finally!

People are finally beginning to realise that the answer to an overstretched health service isn't to accept draconian restrictions on the population.....its to improve the service to a point where it can cope.

If people weren't so besotted with controlling others behaviour we might have got here already.

 

I didn't think you were being funny or anything.

What I would prefer to see from this government is data which splits up the vaccinated and non vaccinated and use that data to suggest the vaccine is the way forward, rather than this ban anyone from society covid passport scheme in order to try get people vaccinated.

50k cases today. How many are vaccinated vaccinated how many aren't. I still firmly believe that you can catch covid if you are vaccinated but my belief in the vaccine is what happens from there.

How many from being infected end up in hospital. Are a larger percentage of people as a number of cases going to hospital having been vaccinated or not. Then of those as a percentage of those how many are dying?

In the simplest of terms if you can show 100 cases 50 vaccinated and 50 not vaccinated but of the vaccinated only 2 ended up in hospital but of the unvaccianted 10 did, you can push the reduction in risk.

Instead of using data the government is using fear, exclusion and shame to try get people vaccinated. If the figures point in that direction that good, if not then the unvaccinated do have serious questions to ask as to what is the benefit.

Unfortunately what we have is a minority of people piling on the unvaccinated as scapegoats going forward and actively calling for them to be second class citizens.


I'll just add this at the bottom.

It's like the remain camp in the Brexit vote. Shout down those who were leavers everything under the sun, and instead of promoting the positives as they saw it they just went with the fear narrative. I think a similar version is taking place here.

 

Yes. ELP was fanfare for the common man

 

Yes. EKP was fanfare for the common man

 

A reflection of society as a whole. Politics, gender, race, sexuality, you name it - we're becoming more divided, not less.

 

Different country etc., but this article from the end of June gives the Canadian numbers and a bit of American data as well. Basically, get vaccinated and even if you do catch the virus, your chances of ending up in hospital or even dying are slim to none...and slim is more than halfway out the door.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-break-through-infection-canada-doses-1.6080206

RCB

 

This is exactly what they should be pushing rather than the constant fear & division shitshow.

 

This thread is exactly why I don't have a ST at the moment. No chance I'll go near VP while the great unvaccinated Bradfordian spouts bile about civil liberty from their asymptomatic covid laden mouth during a game ;-)

 

Does it matter , the vaccine doesn't stop the spread it helps you fight the virus, you have just as much chance of spreadingit vaccinated or not