COVID-19

Here’s a thought. I’ve not seen anyone say they will not share a space. I’ve seen people say that ‘vaccine passports’ are a good idea to reduce risk but I’ve not seen anyone say they would boycott places.

Where has someone said that?

 

I've seen that too - but nobody can explain how.

it's almost like it makes little sense and is just a line that is being parroted.

 

They didn't. They did it to save thousands of lives, pre-vaccinations.

 

I'm not actually saying I necessarily think vaccination passports are a good thing. I'm undecided.
But religious objections to vaccinations? Bullshit. Apart from utter fruit loops like Christian Scientists, there are none.
All of the science suggests the risks of any side effects are minimal and utterly dwarfed by the protection against Covid.
My view of vaccinations is, you take one for the team, regardless of your reservations, unless there are medical reasons why you can't. Likewise tests. Not accepting tests or vaccination is utterly selfish in my opinion.
One argument in favour of passports/testing before entry is to protect those who can't take vaccines for medical reasons. But those who won't, too bad.
The main argument against is that it's not fair on younger people who won't be vaccinated until well into the summer and who are low risk. I accept that is a valid concern, hence I'm undecided.

 

Ah, going to wait to see what Boris says and then think the opposite? (Joking!)

That's a hell of a lot of trust for everyone to be required to put in them.

How will it protect them if people who have had the vaccine or other medically exempt people are likely to be infected and carrying the virus anyway ? What difference does it make?

 

The fewer number of people with the virus in a space/event then the lower the risk of it passing to those who can't be vaccinated. Those who have been vaccinated are far less likely to be infected with the virus and, if they are, then it's likely to be a lower viral load - early results suggests the virus does reduce transmission rates. So if most people who can have either had a vaccination or a negative test that must drastically reduce the risk of it passing to the very small minority who are medically unable to be vaccinated.

 

Agree with the first bit however "less likely" certainly isn't impossible I'm sure you agree. There will still be people walking around with the virus so there is a percentage chance that they get it no matter what.

So the small minority who are medically unable (Do the majority ever stop shaping their lives around these? but that's a different question) - They travel to the event with un-vaccinated people, sit in the pub with un-vaccinated people, work with un-vaccinated people......but can't go into a football ground with them? The additional risk to them by restricting just large scale events is tiny!!

Similarly if we assume 85% take up and.....say 5% of people are medically unable.......and that 1 in 300 people in the UK currently have the virus. The 5% of medically unable people is probably too high but if we make it smaller protecting them through such draconian measures makes it even less necessary.

So at the event; The medically unable people are a risk to each other - the people who have been vaccinated but are still susceptible are a risk to each other........to make the extra 10% of people who are there a significant additional risk you have to have an enormous event before the additional risk of infection is even noticeable! It's not like there is guaranteed to be 0% of the people with the virus there with passports in effect and 5% of people there with the virus without them. Once again the additional risk is tiny!!

Add those two factors together, build in the difficulty of the system, margin of error, etc and I don't see what it is achieving.

And that's before we get into how discriminatory and divisive it would be.





But tough titty I suppose?

 

I did say that I'm not necessarily in favour!

I can see both sides. The lefty in me is very sympathetic to the discrimination/two tier society argument. The very cautious old gimmer who's been very careful for over a year, but desperately wants to get us back to a normal life, is screaming 'BE CAREFUL!' even if it means accepting inequalities and levels of restrictions that many won't like for some (unspecified) time to come.
I know full well that I'm less seriously affected by the restrictions than many others and I know that makes it easier for me to urge caution in opening up fully. Of course that's selfish, but everyone has their own agenda in this situation. I just desperately want to see the back of this thing and would rather we take the medicine for longer now rather than be plunged back into lockdown 4 in the autumn or winter.

 

Nah, you're waiting for the Guardian to tell you what to think! I knew I'd get you with the inequality graphs

I know - I just wanted to get the logical and mathematical problem of my chest!

Both sides come out of this one looking a bit selfish I think - people who won't get vaccinated are probably a bit selfish, so are people who are don't care about other people's rights because they themselves. The only altruistic people in this are the ones who will get the vaccines themselves but are willing to fight for people's right to choose

 

So from the 12th April to the 20th June you can access any retail shop, but from the 21st June you may need a Covid passport is the latest leak to come out.

Can anyone explain this to me please. Why is this needed to buy a T shirt in June after more of the population is vaccinated but is fine for the next 10 weeks?

They aren't doing themselves any favours with this total shitshow of leaks.

Weren't we told it was for mass participation events but the mask is already slipping about what is coming down the line.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-passports-lockdown-clothes-shops-b1827321.html

 

This virus is going to haunt us for years yet, It has the ability to develop and change and until we can get in front of the virus changing it will be with us, We cannot keep the economy virtually frozen indefinitely so the only course is to take some of the present cautions and vaccinate, vaccinate and vaccinate, Like most I believe we are going to have jabs at least once a year like the flu jab and accept a level of mortality

 

Do not think this will happen, How it works is that No10 leak possible policies to gauge both the media and public reaction, Following the reaction further polices will be revealed till they get one that the media supports and the public accepts

 

The way the governement are acting and he wouldn't even confirm they would put it to vote in parliament, forgive me for not trusting this shower.

Remember the vaccine is the key to freedom. Once we have the high risk groups done, not once we have all adults done, then what's next when your children are done.

We talked yesterday what a joke the LF tests are and how easy they are manipulated.

 

Could be worse, We could have Macron and Merkal in charge

 

That's like when we were watching Bowyer Ball and saying it could be worse we could be watching a Colin Todd masterclass. Both are shit.

 

Copied this from a conspiracy theorist:
Covid =
Certification
of
vaccination
Id

 

How will you get your vaccine passport badge?

Seriously the risk is extremely low but it's still going to be of a level that with scare the hell out of people from getting it.