Match Thread Bradford City V Newport County Saturday 24/10/2020

Maybe you need to read my question again when I asked where were you when Grayson, Hopkin and Bowyer were around and not getting the performances from the players, that was my point you only seem to criticise McCall.

Where have I said McCall was the right manager to take us forward, that was Julian/Rupps choice and I've given you the reason why IMO they made that appointment we still had a chance of a play off place, I'd go along with that at the time, at the moment he's struggling to get results and not helping himself with his post match comments with regards the system he wants the team to play or matching up the opposition, I don't think now is the time to be calling for his head maybe if the situation hasn't changed come the New Year I'll be questioning if we need another change

 

you're the epitome of sitting on the fence bronco. I was sat in block d of the main stand when all that was going on. I criticised who I saw fit to criticise, when I saw fit. you'd laugh if I told you the job McCall had lined up only days before Rhodes offered him a 3rd chance. no more excuses for him, he has everything he ever wanted in terms of control but he still can't get things to click in to gear - looking at the next four league fixtures and 8 points should be the minimum. unfortunately I don't see us getting more than 5 and at this moment in time I think that's generous.

 

I don't think he has everything he ever wanted, the new faces have been brought in on a shoestring.

The most 'expensive' players we've brought in are a guy climbing down the leagues in Cooke, and two older heads in Clarke and Evans.

Meanwhile, we've shipped a ton of experience from a squad that finished top half.

There's no question Stuart has had to save money, and quite significantly so.

 

You can’t do that!

Niw you need to release the information.
What was the role he had lined up?

 

Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse...,.,,

 

Anyone noticed the similarity between Teflonites and Trump supporters?

Never his fault, even when it is crap it is good, what he took over was a mess and he is doing a fantastic job given what he had and we shouldn’t replace him because everyone we tried before was a failure.

 

he has had everything he wanted in terms of controlling of the budget, 100% choice of who he brought in including backroom staff, 100% responsibility for recruitment, the title of manager rather than 'head coach'.. the only thing he hasn't been given is vast amounts of money. in all other terms he has everything he has asked for and complained that he didn't have under Rahic.

 

During Stuarts second spell McGod took us to Wembley in his first season, in his second season we were never out of the top 6/7 mostly in the top 4, Rahic sacked him because of who he was not because of a poor overall record, it was McGods first poor run of results under Rahic , we could argue he should have been given longer to turn it around just as Parky did during his 20 odd games without a win, even if not and his decision was based on football matters using Bowyer as an example is very similar so we shouldn't have sacked Bowyer because of your above stats yet McCall who had us in a better position should walk, I'd say that's a nonsense.

Now who's becoming an apologist, Collins was a terrible appointment who was never up for the job and if your truthful you know why Rahic appointed him and Drury, so he could get more and more involved with the day to day running of the football side of things.
Are you being serious when you say Collins didn't get a fair shake, if you attend ANY of the game during his 6 game career you'd have seen the you was seriously out of his depth, we won our first game of the season at Shrewsbury a game that could so easily have gone the other way, yet you quote my "“What great appointments they turned out to be” they were a disaster as every Bradford City fan knew at the time.
So to sum up, during McGods's first tenure he was correct in walking it was hard for both parties because us City fans wanted McGod to be as successful as Bradford City manager as he was a player, yes I stick by my comment he was on a hiding to nothing the second season under Rahic as were Grayson, Hopkin, grayson saw right though Rahic and made some pathetic excuses for not taking the job like we didn't own our own training facilities, hecwent on to be a howling sucsess at Blackpool didn't he.
I thought Bowyer was the correct appointment at the time unfortunately the football on show deteriorated as the season unfolded with the final straw being the performance at Oldham, rather ironic McGod also got the sack after the Oldham game.
This time round McGod is not getting results from the squad and again I've made my thoughts on why known hardly what an apologist does, the buck stops at McGods door get results or you will be out of a job.

 

for everything that wasn't McCall's fault under Rahic it was other managers fault. you fail to give them all the same leeway.

Collins was a terrible appointment at the time and McCall was a terrible appointment at the time. two wrongs don't make a right. 1-1.

I'll ask again and I'll even make it easier for you - give us all one example of something that McCall has done since his re-appointment in February that has shown he can turn our fortunes around.

forget him as a player or his first or second stints as manager as they have no bearing on the current situation.

 

difficult as if I tell you the exact role it will be clear who the source of the info was and that isn't fair on them.. what I will say is that it was in football but not in the professional game or within the extended pyramid.

 

Sorry you've lost me you being sat in block D of the main stand when all that was going on, all what was going on ?.
Why would I laugh it off I wouldn't know if your above is correct or not, I'll accept your version because it didn't sit right with me that Bowyer was allowed to be involved in transfer dealing when his job was on the line.
He's had everything he's wanted with regards control, yes I'd say that's true up to a point, I will repeat so far the season hasn't gone as well as most Bradford City fans would have expected/wanted, after recent performances fans are not happy and that is quite understandable, as you say above he needs results sooner rather than later but I certainly wont be shouting for his head after 7 or even 10 games, now if that makes my a McCall apologist I can live with that.

 

so where do you think his control stops if it is only up to a point? he was given a budget and 100% control over that, plus incomings and outgoings. where is the point where it stops?

 

Is this for me?

I can’t give you a single point.

 

no. Sorry.

 

Yes Collins was a terrible appointment without doubt but the record books show Stuarts appointment after Parky left was nothing like a terrible appointment and more so working under Rahic, that's just not true.
It seems to me you only read what suites your argument this is what I said with regards his third appointment, "Where have I said McCall was the right manager to take us forward, that was Julian/Rupps choice and I've given you the reason why IMO they made that appointment we still had a chance of a play off place" I've not said it was a great appointment but do believe there was reasons behind it, it might be Julian and McGod are buddies it seems that's what your implying above , why have I got to justify his appointment.

 

think for yourself bronco, I haven't asked for your thoughts on why Julian Rhodes employed him again or why you think he was undermined in his second spell. I'm asking for your personal opinion on why you think Stuart McCall, after what you've seen for the past 8 months, is the right man to take the club forward. it's not a difficult question, unless you don't know.

 

I don't understand this Teflon thing. Makes no sense really.

 

This sums it all up perfectly for me.

 

So you make a comment with regards being in block D suggesting I would laugh it off without an explanation.

I believe @JonButterfield has said it all, experienced pro's leaving to be replaced by kids loans and some players in the twilight of their careers plus others who don't look like they can step up, he had words with Vaughan hoping we could get a reaction from him as he did with Marshall, Vaughan was never going to stay he made that clear and if he made a mistake it was holding out thinking this guy would come around once he got back on the training field with his team mates, Vaughan was looking after Vaughan his careers suggests exactly that.
I don't believe for one minute he could go out and replace Vaughan's goals within the player budget he was given, not forgetting the mutual agreement it would have cost the club getting rid, as a few pointed out the likes of Bolton/Mansfield did deals before the transfer cap was brought in when questioned if we would be doing the same Ryan told us we would be abiding by the salary cap, so no one actually knows what the player budget was after the Vaughan scenario etc.
I agree he would have had more input into signing this closed season that he did under his previous employers second time around but not sure the budget he was given was what your suggesting.

 

I believe a play off place was still very much on at the time of his third appointment so I was not unhappy to have Stuart back, what more do you want me to say, first time he was inexperienced and walked which was the honorable thing to do, the second time I believe given the right backing he would have got us a play off place, I'm not sure what more you want me to say.

Are you going to tell us what you heard in Block D if not why bring it up ?.