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How does this club move forward?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Faithful Bantam, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. Bigrod

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    Mmmmmm, I think you have said this numerous times. o_O
     
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  2. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    True though :confused:

    We can't say we will be better next season when we operate like we did in the last transfer window and we sit 9th in an awful league.
     
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  3. Interested Bystander

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    Grimsby making a interesting move
     
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    Interesting reading, 21000 stadium for £14m, wow, I thought St Helens new ground was about £25m?

    Bradford? Nope, it can't be done, not possible, nowt wrong with VP or where it is, forget about it............
     
  5. Onside

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    Yes but it is so boring, I am hardly reading your posts....

    All the team are suffering from constipation Fordy.... it’s down to Rupp and Rhodes mismanagement
    The team have nowhere to train due to floods Fordy ...it’s down to Rupp and Rhodes mismanagement
    Anon player had a really poor game .... Fordy ...it’s down to yawn yawn yawn.
     
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  6. Fordy117

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    Ha ha ha love it!

    Ok, well instead of being naive and defending Rhodes... admit what the problem is then! Face up to it but you can't.. so you will attack me because you have to defend Rhodes and Rupp because you can't see the real problems.

    What's boring is accepting failure, seeing a club 9th in div 2 without a long term plan for success. That's boring!

    I suppose why I drill the message home so much is because I see weakness in our fan base! Most of our fans are weak minded.

    @Bronco@Bronco loves Rhodes more than than club and he did with Bowyer. He can't even bring himself to say Rhodes now needs to go and defended Bowyer like he was a family member.

    You find my posts boring but happy with a club that has no plan - cheap season tickets, rebuild, sack the manager, cheap season tickets, rebuild, sack the manager, cheap season tickets, rebuild, sack the manager ..

    So, don't take it out on me...look at the club and the bigger picture!

    Stop being naive.
     
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  7. Rogered Tart

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    The most successful clubs are the ones with a long term plan, they may have various setbacks over that time such as a relegation, especially when you've over achieved, but when the dust settles these clubs will be either near or above their target.
    Our most successful period of late was all down to our management having a plan and Lawn and Rhodes buying into it. Parkinson kept it simple and the budget was put into the first team.
    Football isn't rocket science. Probably the most simple sport out there. Now down to McCall and Black showing Rupp what their plan is and for him to say how far he will back it.
     
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  8. Faithful Bantam

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    For the all talk of training facilities, ticket pricing, ground ownership/moving (which all merit discussion) our 2 most pressing priorities have to be:

    1) sorting the pitch, properly.
    2) scouting and recruitment.

    Number 1 is a fundamental aspect of being a professional club. Fixing the pitch won't be cheap, but its essential. And the 'nickel and dime' approach will be more costly in the long run.

    And for 2, we're so far behind its laughable. We rely entirely on the old boys network of whoever is in charge. We make no use of data analysis or 3rd party scouting services at all. It's ridiculous. Invest properly in a scouting system that gives value to the players we bring in. Over time, it'll pay for itself if its done properly.

    These can no longer be seen as optional features. these are key. Its where Rupp should be investing but if he won't then trim the playing budget so we can set ourselves up for success in the longer term.
     
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  9. Onside

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    I don’t disagree with any of this post. I have agreed with every single post that wants both an interim plan to get us out of this league and a long term plan for the future.

    I am becoming irritated at the ‘baying at the moon tactics’ of @Fordy117@Fordy117 who appears or fails to understand that Rupp is going nowhere until he receives enough money from another buyer. Rhodes is also staying as far as I can see to hold it all together.

    I have now been labelled naive by two ppl on this forum because I believed what they said, I have now been provided with evidence that they were either lying or misrepresenting their part in our first admin. Rupp on the other hand says nothing and therefore his intentions and plans are the subject of speculations. We will have to wait and see what his actions are with regard to funding this club going forward. However, once I discover that someone has lied, I very rarely trust them again, they will need to work double time to put my mistrust of them to bed.

    I agree SMc and KB will need to put their own plan to both Rhodes and Rupp and hopefully succeed in gaining the funds. I think we need a good quality albeit smaller squad, but I also want to see some thoughts and funding into the structure behind the manager.
     
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  10. Onside

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    You have not one jot of evidence to back up your rant at me. I have backed you when you have been thoughtful and sensible in your posts, but it annoys me when I have to skip your posts. You have picked up on a @Dennis@Dennis post where he is taking me to task for believing Rhodes account of the first admin and has called me naive. He has presented me with evidence that he holds that disputes what we were told. This is evidence that I cannot and will not ignore, and I have never heard before.


    Obviously you have no idea who I am apart from my posts on here, but I laughed when you called me naive, as in my profession when I was working the very last thing anybody would call me is naive. Often in areas of professions that we do not have expertise, finds us looking for evidence and understanding of what we are looking at. I do realise that you like to paint with an enormous wide brush, but you miss so much if you do that.
     
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  11. Park bantam

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    This is what the Rhodes family did for this club in that period taken from the YP

    he Rhodes family fortune was built by Julian's father, David, an electronics professor whose company, Filtronics, supplies the arms and telecommunications industries. Last year, when the family owed, jointly with Richmond, around £14m in personal guarantees for the club's debts and had handed over the deeds to their home, the company shares had slumped to 27p each and the family were contemplating possible bankruptcy. The scale of that personal commitment has not been unappreciated by the Bradford fans, who know they have been lucky to have genuine fans as backers.
     
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  12. Onside

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    I am aware of their commitment to the club. However, I cannot overlook that they paid themselves dividends when the club was in debt. I am not a financial expert, but they must have signed papers to allow this debt to be incurred, at the same time or shortly after they paid themselves dividends. That to me is the equivalent of going on a luxury cruise and maxing the credit card out, with no guarantees on how they were going to pay it back. It is complete contrast to how Rhodes has operated since. The club was in no position to pay shareholder dividends, they must have known that?
     
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    The club was in profit at the time but the dividends turned into a loss.
    The administrators found it acceptable that dividends were taken and after the event during administration the Rhodes family paid it all back and more
     
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  14. Rogered Tart

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    @Dennis@Dennis you understand what went on better than most. What's the real picture of the Rhodes tenure at Bradford City?
     
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  15. Onside

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    This is what happens every time this issue comes up. If they paid it back, is there any evidence that this happened?
     
  16. Fordy117

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    Look me and @Dennis@Dennis have had run in's and I respect him as a mod and a poster but I don't agree with everything he says.

    As, for me backing things up, as much as you say I am boring well this site is in major danger if everything has to be factual and I am sure @king karl@king karl doesn't want a boring site in which it's just based on facts!

    I suppose my point about Rhodes and Rupp has been drilled home plenty of times and it's out of frustration. I read comments from yourself and others says Rupp is here, nothing we can do blah blah but it's like we accept anything.

    McCall comes back - yeah, let's all accept it
    Rupp - is not investing in us and couldn't care- Yeah let's all accept it
    Rhodes - is running the club to the ground - yeah let's all accept it.

    Liverpool would be be struggling right now if the fans didn't come together to get their previous owners out.

    West Ham fans coming together to get their current owners out

    Newcastle fans, Man Utd fans. Blackpool fans.

    Now, yes some owners will stay and people will think what's the point in trying? Well the point is they care and they want BETTER! They want to try to make a difference!

    What's boring is being acceptable!

    Unfortunately, he boreing FACT is under Rupp and Rhodes the club has gone backs! Forget Edin, these are the boring facts you want!

    So, yes I don't know you but I care about Bradford City and what I see is too many fans thinking about cheap season tickets instead of wanting what's best for the club.

    Sorry, to bore you but facts are boring in football.. winning is all that counts and improving!
     
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  17. Rogered Tart

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    'Facts are boring'. I don't think you can top that one Fordy. Take a bow.
     
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  18. Fordy117

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    See I find this boring!

    Evidence? It's not a court of law! It's a forum!

    If your love is for Rhodes just say... it should be for the club though.
     
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    Put him on ignore @Onside@Onside. I have and suddenly life's a lot better.
     
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  20. Fordy117

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    Ignore the truth!!

    Why would anyone do that that a part from if they are getting insulted and she isn't.
     
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