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Would you donate?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by How, May 7, 2020.

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If asked, would you donate money to the club?

Poll closed May 14, 2020.

  1. Yes, without doubt. That's what real fans do

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%

  2. Possibly if I was sure that the money would be used to benefit the club

    29 vote(s)
    45.3%

  3. Possibly if my donation was matched by an equivalent amount from the owner

    13 vote(s)
    20.3%

  4. No chance. I don't regard the club as a charity

    18 vote(s)
    28.1%
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  1. Faithful Bantam

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    We’d save on the costs associated with putting games on too. And travelling to games.

    Next season would be more problematic, I agree.
     
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  2. Fordy117

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    Next season isn't happening at this rate
     
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    The outlook changes day by day, let alone week by week.

    Absolutely no possible way to predict where we'll be in August.
     
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    This season is done and I think a lot accepted that weeks ago. If we could have made an earlier decision we could have slowly built to the new season and been ahead of the pack. Taken our time with signings and contracts etc. Now we are facing a real mad rush if we can resume behind closed doors in September let’s say
     
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    No it doesn't change every day at all.

    Ricky Parry had said next season might not happen.

    The government keep lying and then you have Scotland & Wales leaders mouthing off. Boris really needs to shut them up.

    Tomorrow will be an ease of the lockdown because of the pressure from Scotland, Wales. but as I am in the Merc in Leeds let me tell you that's pointless - might as well open the country back up now!

    Millions will lose their job and at this moment div 1 & 2 won't be able to continue next season. Football is a business and businesses have suffered but some haven't started moaning after 1 week or so.

    No vaccine- no mass gatherings- this is going on for at least 12 months. Next season not happening and if the PL doesn't restart this season it certainly wont.

    Why for example would JCT600 want to sponsor us? Why? Better off shutting the gates for 12 months... next season is a non starter!
     
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    It does keep changing every day.

    We just had an example of it changing from one day to the next with Trump's coronavirus task force - disbanded Wednesday, reinstated indefinitely on Thursday - all because someone close to Trump got the virus.

    The figures are changing daily, although the graph is on a stable decline recently - but that could change too, hence the government potentially putting in a 14 day quarantine for those flying in to the country - something they probably should have STARTED with, not waiting until now for.

    But that move to quarantine outsiders shows the government feel the stable decline will continue to be a decline. So by August, there would be every chance of the football league going ahead behind closed doors. IMHO, that remains the most likely outcome.
     
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    You don’t have to help with the costs of the companies you own shares in because it comes out of the companies earnings. The problem with City is it makes a loss and Rupp is supposedly having to invest millions to keep it afloat, if the companies you own shares in had to have a owner bail out it would be expected that all shareholders make a contribution equal to their holding. Either that or it would involve a debt for equity swap which would dilute the other shareholders stake and actually devalue your investment.

    As for Germany it’s a little different. It’s part of law that 'community assets' have to have a community ownership element to them. However I believe that is actually more like a golden share setup. The communities share has no monetary value, its held by an independent entity and it can’t be bought or sold and isn’t entitled to receive any dividends or proceeds of a sale. All the holding gives them is voting rights on certain issues that have a community impact (for example if Newcastle had that setup they could block the Saudi bid)
     
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    No it doesn't change every day at all.

    Ricky Parry had said next season might not happen.

    The government keep lying and then you have Scotland & Wales leaders mouthing off. Boris really needs to shut them up.

    Tomorrow will be an ease of the lockdown because of the pressure from Scotland, Wales. but as I am in the Merc in Leeds let me tell you that's pointless - might as well open the country back up now!

    Millions will lose their job and at this moment div 1 & 2 won't be able to continue next season. Football is a business and businesses have suffered but some haven't started moaning after 1 week or so.

    No vaccine- no mass gatherings- this is going on for at least 12 months. Next season not happening and if the PL doesn't restart this season it certainly wont.

    Why for example would JCT600 want to sponsor us? Why? Better off shutting the gates for 12 months... next season is a non starter!
    Mate, me and others were complaining the borders were still open back in March. People stay coming into the UK and not tested! Utter JOKE! Meanwhile in Australia, New Zealand and Korea the borders were shut! 2 week quarantine is something places like the West Indies were doing last month!

    Do be looking and praising! We are way behind! We follow the science is just an excuses for we haven't got a clue what we are doing.

    Football won't come back next season in EFL 1 & 2.. how? Please explain how it will? Testing? Costs, Neutral venues? - what's going to change?

    Rick Parry didn't warn us for the laugh.. he warned us because it's realistic.
     
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    The problem is that as the PL changing the transfer window showed that Football is a global business and unless everyone introduces the same regulation then it actually has a negative impact. Infact just look at women’s football, there is the wage cap in England and there is a talent drain because of that. Man Utd women lost their captain Alex Greenwood to Lyon this season for example and part of that is because Lyon can offer more in wages than English clubs can. So if we saw all levels of English football put in wage caps you would see players choosing to go abroad where not only the big nations could offer more but most likely the smaller nations. English football is then going to generate less income as it’s a less desirable product thus hitting the clubs financially. It really would need FIFA to implement something but a wage cap is complex as a current League 2 weekly wage is a year or more wage in some countries
     
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    Sure you can do a debt for equity swap and devalue the fans shareholding but then fans may as well have just donated the money. What’s the point in having shares If they are diluted so much that I’m 5 years they are basically worthless? Especially when the process of issuing shares and then diluting shares has a cost tomitn
     
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    When the share issue was raised back in the very late 90’s (following promotion to the Premiership if my memory is correct’), I had a young family and didn’t have much spare cash. My situation is different now and I could buy shares in the club. However as you rightly point out, that has been problematic in the past. I wouldn’t be prepared to invest a modest amount unless there was a mechanism which meant my investment was underwritten. A bit like Premium Bonds, whereby you can sell and recover the value you invested, but accept that inflation will have reduced the real value.
     
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  12. Rogered Tart

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    Our problem lies with the fact we effectively have a 20 team league and separate 72 team league that the 20 team league cares nothing about. This happened slowly but surely since the introduction of the Premier league in 1993. It doesn't bother the Premier league clu s nor does it affect them. They'll play out their season as they sit fit. The rest of the football league pyramid will have to pick up the pieces.
     
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    You haven’t cut the wages of any of the staff. You have taken the government's money but are making up the difference. It’s certainly saving some money but the playing staff are all basically making more than £2500 a month and the wages managers and coaches are getting even at your level is more than the £2500 a month. And many of the other costs that a football club has still exist. It’s also not just ticket sales you miss out on but all the match day income which is just as vital.

    There may also be bonus due to be paid if the season is ended. For example they may work out what percentage of games each player had played and then apply that percentage to the remaining games and pay appearance fees based on that. I know that’s something the players and clubs at PL level are in discussions about and with it being more pressing lower down I suspect it’s happening at all clubs
     
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    Not that much actually. Most of the costs are the same if there is no-one in the ground or 80k. It’s one of the reasons why youth sides and women’s sides don’t play at the clubs main stadium. The find a smaller venue that’s cheaper to put an event on at. It’s perhaps the biggest issue for you being basically the 'biggest' team in the league, you have a bigger stadium which is more expensive to host a match at than a smaller ground would be
     
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    The thing is though the PL already gives the EFL way more than he EFL gives back. It used to be the case that the EFL clubs provided a steady stream of players for the top level but that reduces year on year. And they don’t even provide an environment for loan played to grow. The average foreign club below top tier plays in a style much more fitting to PL football than EFL clubs generally do, have more modern training setups (infrastructure and techniques) and are much more willing to enter into mutual agreements. Even before this the EFL was happy taking money but seem to want hand outs rather than being a mutual benefit to English football
     
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    How can the EFL afford to give back more than it recieves? The global draw of the premier league and the TV rights paid for this have lead to what is a ludicrous difference in revenue. Take Leeds for example, finish top of the championship and they recieve what i think is £3 million, Norwich the team directly above them in the ladder stand to recieve over £100 million for abject failure and finishing bottom. Thats not to say its wrong, but it does create the unlevel playing field we have now.
     
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    Giving back doesn’t have to be done with money. As I said EFL clubs are largely so backwards in their infrastructure and techniques and are so hesitant to change that they don’t produce players capable of playing at higher levels and also damage players sent to them on loan.

    Its easy to sit there and accuse PL of being selfish but each level is just as selfish in their own way. They all pull in a different direction rather than finding common ground where everyone benefits
     
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    Without the EFL the PL is nothing. Only a myopic idiot can’t see that.
     
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    Its nigh on impossible to develop your own players in this country these day with the conditions laid down by the Premeirship. Its alright saying the EFL took the money to allow changes to happen but in truth they had no choice, it allows the premiership academies to hoover up all the young talent for as little outlay as possible. Clubs like Brentford do buck the trend but they don't even have an academy because they realised they were losing money doing it.
     
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    I'm not sure agree with that these days Mike. Financial wise the Premiership could stand alone without being affected by the loss of the EFL, in fact i think they would welcome the scenario. It would probably see the end of cup competitions but would allow the the premiership to concentrate on expanding global competitions like the champions league and the Europa league. Not saying i agree with it but the EFL has been so badly run over the years its done itself a lot of damage.
     
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