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Will league 2 return next season? (Now with Poll)

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, May 16, 2020.

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Would you prefer a Regionalised North & South third tier, as opposed to League 1&2?

  1. Yes

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    27.6%
  2. No

    97 vote(s)
    72.4%
  1. Bigrod

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    I think that a significant number of supporters quite like the ‘South’ away days. Personally I do.

    Of our group of six one lives about 50 miles north of London and another Actually in West London.

    There are significant amount of supporters who live well away from Bradford, a number on here probably live closer to grounds that would be in the ‘South’.

    For sure there are a number of very distant and/or awkward to get to fixtures. Plymouth and Crawley come to mind. But those aside, many are relatively accessible.

    What equation would you use, if there was a disproportionate number of relegations from the second tier to the third tier? Would you have a flexible line in the country?

    At the moment three teams are relegated from the Championship. Would this increase to four? How would it work out?

    I think that despite the current systems flaws, it may well be preferable to a regional solution.

    As someone who is closer to the club than many, what would the cost benefits actually be?
     
  2. Dennis

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    Apologies, my question was meant to be rhetorical. The answer is indeed Jason McGill or rather one of his companies.

    And there are many more Jason McGills in the lower leagues who support their clubs from their own pockets in one way or another and of their own accord. And the vast majority of the Championship clubs rely on their owners in a a similar way. Unless the EFL adopt a much stronger line on FFP and more importantly, change the financial structure of the EFL to discourage a reliance on owners funding their clubs, there will always be Yorks and Scunnys, Portsmouths and Brentfords throughout the EFL/NL under any structure.
     
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    One option for league 2 next season is to play it behind closed doors with every game televised on iview or similar, A home season ticket costing around £250 and a full one both home and away costing around £450 ( which is a lot cheaper than travelling and tickets )

    With advertising etc it may bring in the same amount of income for each club and may increase the "attendances" for the many supporters who are unable to get to games yet support the club,
    If organised correctly and announced early enough it could solve the next season problem
     
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    So charging more for a TV pass than an actual ticket was for this year? Can not see that working
     
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    Playing behind closed doors for a full season is an awful thought, and cannot see this happening.

    Count me out forking out £250 for a season ticket to watch it on IFollow or whatever. There is no way I would pay more than we do now to watch it on screen with no atmosphere
     
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    Not for me is regional football. I've already posted my thoughts on the subject.

    As for the article, probably just media speculation.
     
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    All they’d have to do is package it right. Call it a save our club ticket and the fans would lap it up. Right marketing, right launch. Make sure it works etc.

    Like I said before it won’t be long before the save our city campaign is launched. Can already feel it
     
  8. Tony Wilkinson

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    Good value though if say there are 4 of you in the family only needing 1 x pass....!!
     
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    It will operate like an honesty box in that situation to help the club. Or maybe not! ;)
     
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    I agree Rod, regionalisation is not for me either, I was hypothesising. Over the last two or three seasons I've got into and enjoy the train to some away games although more costly. London, Crawley, Swindon, Bristol, Southend, Portsmouth are all easily done in the day and I would miss that. In addition regionalisation with less promotion and relegation would lead to less variety of opposition, the very reason the old North and South was scrapped in the first place, at least one of the reasons.
     
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    The take up would be tiny for a number of reasons.

    The product is inferior, especially with no atmosphere. Anybody who watched the Bundesliga yesterday will see the issue straight away.

    You're likely to be able to watch better quality football for a similar, or even cheaper price at home.

    More uncertainty in the economy meaning people will cut back from discretionary spending. Not want the prices increased.
     
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    The main sticking point for me. Love my away days down south. Take that away, another nail in the coffin for my 'love' of football.
     
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    Last set of account have them over £7M in the Red.
    You do wonder where football is going, when a club in the 6th tier has this amount of unsustainable debt.
     
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    Ah, the old div. 3 North, the excitement of re election
    Same players week after week
    The cloggers and those who could actually trap a ball and pass it
    Great northern banter
    Magic :)

    Sometimes we even scored goals!!!
     
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    Cant see a pass for ifollow benefiting the club

    If theres 6 friends buy current season tickets then one bloke is gunna buy the ifollow pass and rest watch at his house

    Only benefit is saving your seat for when we can watch live
     
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    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!

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    So Ryan has just said on Sky that we have a owner that will back us but then went on to talk about how the Furlough has helped us(confusing messages. So we taking tax payers money even though our owner is backing us) and said we voted to end the end as getting into the play offs is a 500k lottery due to testing (140k) and more than likely no Wembley. A risk worth taking in my eyes if an owner was backing us.

    I just don't see what is going to change in the testing front. It's still going to cost next season(if it happens)

    Again for me how Ryan was talking. Next season isn't happening.
     
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    Of course next season is happening, its just a case of when.

    Although players and staff are currently furloughed, Rupp still needs to pay for things like rent
     
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    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!

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    I don't see how Rupp has benefited the club in terms of improving it. So it's acceptable to Furlough the staff as he has rent to pay. All clubs have outgoings.

    Please tell me how next season is happening when we couldn't finish 9/10 games.

    Sorry but the same issues will be here in September and October
     
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    Most of the PL clubs don’t make a profit and that will be even more of the case without people in stadiums. A season with no fans will reduce revenues for Man Utd by £110m for league games alone while having most of the costs. It would probably be better for clubs to actually play matches at the training ground but I doubt TV would be happy with that. So it’s not like there is this massive pot of money that can be given out.

    And even if there was the PL already gives the EFL a massive amount. £265mill last season was paid in parachute payments split between 8 clubs and the £106m was given in solidarity payments with each championship club getting £4.65m, league 1 £700k and league 2 £470k. The EFL only give out £88m for the TV deal split between the 72 clubs. Are the EFL teams going to generally use it to improve their setup or are they just going to throw more money at players and then plead poverty to the PL again in a few years asking for more? People can have an issue with Salford but one thing you can’t be critical of them about is the way for anything they put into the first team they are putting just as much into improving the infrastructure to allow them to improve the players they have better and it’s something so much of the EFL has forgotten about.

    So if any more money is given by the PL it has to be on the understanding that it’s not just going to pay players (The average wage in league 2 is apparently £1,500 a week which is ridiculous). There needs some to be ringfenced for improving clubs especially on the 'development' side. We need lower leagues to be producing better players which will help supply chain of players up the leagues and we need the general level of football to be more technical so we also provide more opportunities for young players released by higher clubs a chance as right now the style differences can make it very tough for players to adjust having spent their key development years learning a more technical way. Teams looking down the leagues more rather than go abroad is good for the lower leagues as it means more money coming down to help financially.

    Mind you English sides do have a problem the foreign clubs often don’t have and that’s land. We are a small country with a massive demand for land for housing while having a ridiculous amount of football teams let alone other sports. So just having the land to improving training and medical facilities can be expensive where as in other countries that are larger but with similar or smaller populations land is much cheaper. It might need cooperation between teams and maybe even between sports (could for example City, PA and say Bradford Bulls share training facilities) so that costs are shared.

    Either that or partnerships with bigger PL and Championship teams. For example let’s say City did a deal with Man Utd and Utd would send coaches to spend some time working with you and your coaches spending time at Utd. And where your teams could go and use Carrington and your injured players could use the Utd medical facilities and recuperation facilities. It could reduce some of your costs, help improve your coaches and your players. It might also make both the PL teams willing to send players on loan and make them a better fit for the team they are going on loan from. Maybe then we will get away from the kind of managers we have seen you have recently where their only tactic is playing long ball even if your striker is Bilbo Baggins.

    Unfortunately what will most likely happen is PL clubs will be guilted into giving more and the EFL clubs will use the money as safety net that allows them to stand still by blowing it in overpaid players of limited ability and the gap will get bigger and the EFL becomes even less of an asset in improving the overall quality of English football when it should be an integral part.
     
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    Not to mention the piracy factor. Even people who would buy a season ticket and know that buying an ifollow season ticket will help the club will still decide to pirate even if it was just £10 for the whole season
     
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