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Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Dubois, Mar 20, 2020.

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Let’s have another guess as to when it will Start (fans in Stadium)

  1. After November 2020 to December 2020

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    20.8%
  2. New Year 2021-End April 2021

    21 vote(s)
    43.8%
  3. August 2021

    6 vote(s)
    12.5%
  4. Never, the EFL and/or City will be obsolete

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  5. Before end of October 2020

    11 vote(s)
    22.9%
  1. Storck

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    As long as the league have followed the rules I‘m not sure what the litigation would be based on
     
  2. Fordy117

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    Well it did. I am sure McCall would believe that we would have got into the play offs.

    Doubt Peterborough or Tranmere can do anything now.
     
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  3. Stafford Bantam

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    I believe the league have created new rules (after the event), albeit with a majority of clubs voting in favour.

    I always thought that the rules were that, if a club was unable to fulfil its fixtures then the results were expunged. If it has been agreed that all clubs were unable to fulfil their fixtures, then all the results should, under the rules, have been expunged and the season effectively voided, just as it was in the 1939-40 season.

    I would have thought that if any club chooses to make a legal challenge, its case would argue that you can't change the rules after the event.

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of today's decision, let's hope that a degree of common sense and pragmatism are applied. The last thing we need is for next season to be subject to further delays, while we await the outcome of legal challenges.
     
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  4. Bronco

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    I hope your correct @StaffordBantam@StaffordBantam but some how the words Football & Common Sense don't go together.
     
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  5. River_City_Bantam

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    True enough, and now as then, it is an external factor which has affected all clubs. But I would nonetheless argue against expunging the records and voiding the season. At first glance the cases are identical, but I'd suggest that the stage of the season at which the external factor comes into play has to be considered. Only 1/10 of the season had been completed then, whereas now it is 3/4. By this stage trends are apparent, and it is unlikely that a promotion contender now will plummet into relegation trouble, or vice versa. I'd argue that voiding and expunging should not be considered after a season reaches its halfway point. The only somewhat relevant precedent I could point to would be at match level, and that is of course City v. Lincoln.

    And if I may speak selfishly, as one of the many keepers of City stats and records, voiding the season and expunging all records would play merry hell with said stats and records! (Not to mention the heritage numbers.)

    I also think that whilst the current solution might be, or seem to be, unfair to some clubs and supporters, it is the least unfair to clubs and supporters as a whole.

    RCB
     
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  6. Bantamsteve

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    Don't think too many would have agreed with him
    We were an appalling side that deserved nothing so fair dos we got nothing
     
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  7. Botswana Bantam

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    Thank god its all done with.

    Hopefully we can put the utter omnishambles of the last couple of years behind us now and have a brighter season whenever it starts!
     
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  8. Stafford Bantam

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    I wouldn't disagree with that.

    I hope that those clubs most impacted by today's decisions, think very carefully before before going down the route of legal challenges, otherwise it could very messy.
     
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  9. BWWB

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    image.jpg I’m not sure PPG would have made much sense in 1939 we’d still have been struggling though
     
  10. BWWB

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    View attachment 7079 I’m not sure PPG would have made much sense in 1939. we’d still have been struggling though (League tables attached)
     
  11. Bantam@{Lancs}

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    I'm just so glad that all the rubbish we've released were not able to even try to come into contention for new contracts, with false end of season performances, so so glad Akpan has gone especially.
     
  12. River_City_Bantam

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    Yes -- not a good start, after a promising previous season. We did better in those three matches when normality returned in 46/7 -- though still fell short on the season.

    RCB
     
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    Start the season as late as necessary with the aim of starting with full crowds as early as possible.

    The government just caved in to pressure from zoos to open, thankfully saving a vital consumer-based industry, if football clubs, players and fans apply similar pressure come August, it might happen sooner than October.

    If the UK follows suit from Spain, we're a month away from announcing single or double digit daily deaths. At that point, we really must be fully out of lock down excluding any sensible measures that do not affect businesses.
     
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  14. Bantam@{Lancs}

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    I'm just so glad that all the rubbish we've released were not able to even try to come into contention for new contracts, with false end of season performances, so so glad Akpan has gone especially.
     
  15. Fordy117

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    You've to remember our lockdown was nowhere near like Spain's. Our lockdown was weak like the government. I am not concerned we will be down to single daily digits soon at all.

    As for the Zoo's. The Zoo's were calling for a massive bailout hence and thats why they now can open but with 2m social distancing whats the point. This government is extremely weak and if the PL/EFL/PFA etc join forces to send the message that fans need to come back or clubs will go bust then I believe this government will allow fans in as they wont want to bail clubs out.

    The 2m ruling is coming under pressure already. I said scientists can't run a country and with schools, businesses complaining about the 2m rule I think it will be reduced by September or schools won't be able to reopen in England.

    Put pressure on then September could see fans in.
     
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  16. Dennis

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    A professor of genetics was just interviewed on the Today programme. His team has been researching the genetic make-up of the virus and their research has confirmed that about 80% of the source virus arrived in the UK before 28 March prior to it spreading in the population! That was the very day when we introduced the lockdown after most other countries had already done it. He was asked a direct question about whether we were late in imposing the lockdown and he just answered yes. Dithering by the Govt has cost lives.

    He also said the research has shown that the virus spread from Italy, France and particularly Spain. And of course it was the CL game between Liverpool and Athletico which we allowed to go ahead and brought many planeloads of Spanish fans to the UK probably carrying the virus. Spain had already stopped these same fans from attending games in Spain as part of their lockdown arrangements and we just ignored that. Whilst other countries had already stopped mass gatherings as a means of reducing the spread of the virus, the Govt allowed the Liverpool game and Cheltenham Festival to go ahead. Absolutely bonkers.

    The Govt's handling of this has been appalling at times and it's no wonder that we have one of the worst infection rates in the western world.
     
  17. How

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    I think without a majority vote as they had in both league one and two they would have been in trouble. Much like in France where they announced it was done and now the french court have overruled the decision and stopped relegation.

    By having a vote of all members not sure what leg anyone has to stand on who wants to sue?
     
  18. Fordy117

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    How the government has handled the Covid 19 has been a joke front he start and it's continuing.

    We knew about Covid in Jan, didn't do anything until March. We even let Spanish people come over in the thousands to watch Liverpool when Spain was in a state of emergency.

    Not using all the labs in the country, lack of testing and PPE.

    Even now talking about the 2m rule and not understanding how it effects businesses. The government got asked yesterday about the 2m for restaurants and pubs & how they expect them to survive as it was promised they would look into reducing it to 1m. Government haven't looked into it and suggested people sit side by side ha ha the bloke then said really, so you expect a pub or restaurant to open with 2m social distance and people not looking at each other when they talk? Ha Don't see that happening in Parliament.

    Then you have the school situation with schools saying nothing will change in September if you want 2m and 15 in a class.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8406009/Tory-fury-Boris-Johnson-pitiful-failure-downgrade-two-metre-rule.html

    This government has let the country down, rich or poor it doesn't matter as they have failed and we can't compare ourselves to where Spain is at because of government is clueless.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405873/UK-faces-biggest-hit-coronavirus-major-economy-WORLD.html
     
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  19. Aleman

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    As I posted previously, lockdown might kill more than the virus. And fewer of these will be very old and very compromised.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52984742

    Meanwhile, Sweden had only social spacing - and even that's often now ignored there- and the US lockdown was only about half ours yet both have lower death figures per capita than the UK. It makes it look like the UK was in the process of topping out whether we locked down or not.

    UK mobility has yet to reach the level that the US dropped to at its lows. Our lockdown was far too severe.

    https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-06-05_GB_Mobility_Report_en-GB.pdf

    htts://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-06-05_US_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

    Even amusement parks and carnivals have reopened in Texas, as restaurants and bars lift to 50% capacity, yet lockdown there was later than ours and their death rates are lower and falling. Current cumulative deaths per capita only 1/9th of ours. (This adds to possible evidence that supports some doctors' claims that the virus is weakening.)

    https://www.ccbiznews.com/news/phase-III-reopens-restaurants-at-75-percent-businesses-50-percent
     
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