UK Politics

I was addressing the specific point about the Tories spinning a supposedly hung parliament.

But, yes, hopefully you’re right.

 

No need to, there won't be a hung parliament. Well, as long as Labour disassociate itself from the harmful element that seems to think Corbyn would be a credible candidate for leading anything other than a protest march. You know my views on labour but I do understand we badly need change and a party that understands things like the railways and utilities need to be taken back into public ownership.

 

Most of the Corbynites have either left or been expelled. The tosser in Baildon who stood as an independent and split the vote is one such moron. Momentum are a busted flush. Labour is now largely back to being a pragmatic centre left social democratic party, as it was under Blair. Of course there are factions, as in every political party but Labour is now far more united around its leadership than the Tories are.

The Tories are now caught in a massive bind. Braverman and other backbenchers on their right want Sunak to double down on the culture wars and the obsession with immigration, to head off the threat from Reform UK.This appeals to the (ever shrinking) party faithful and some red wall voters but alienates much of the more socially liberal blue wall. Generally speaking, elections are won in the centre ground, but after years of slash and burn, no one is going to take a shift to the centre seriously.

 

I saw someone today say, "If you chase two rabbits you are likely to catch neither".

 

Labour might be getting the vote of the radio 4 listener in Baildon but most inner cities don't have no one listening to the archers. What were the minority wards are becoming more powerful each year as their populations quickly expand, told what to vote for in mosques these voting arms will only get stronger and Starmers stance on Israel sees this support going elsewhere.It won't be enough to deny Labour this time but this section of the vote will only get bigger and bigger. What used to be a two horse race will still be a two horse race but with more outside influence unless Labour give in to their demands.
What do they say? 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'

 

Mothin Ali should bugger off to Palestine and fight his cause there, not inflict his bile on Leeds folk.

How did the Green Party allow him to stand in their name, surely the party must have been aware of his anti-semitic rants prior to the local elections, even more alarming is that he hasn't now been suspended.

 

Quite right, our incoming dinghy's should be used just one more time, preferably with a slow puncture ....

 

The greens have gone rogue lol. Greens and Hamas, not everyday you'd thought you'd see that.

 

Article written by Justine Greening, Tory ex-minister, saying exactly what I was saying above- the further right the Tories go, the less popular they get. The small section of the electorate that is obsessed with the immigration issue has already decided to vote for Reform UK; trying to ape them won’t save the Tories, it’ll sink them further. Elections are usually won in the centre ground.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/07/tories-reform-local-elections-rishi-sunak-culture-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Yep, the same centre ground policies that has fecked the country...urgent decisive action needed ...

 

I've seen a number of people asking questions of Tory MPs who have been on the media.

"People can see we have a plan and we are sticking to the plan and delivering on the people's priorities"

I mean how tone deaf can you actually be? Time and again the interviewer were saying to them, so basically the polls suggest the electorate don't agree with you and you are effectively saying to us we carry on as before.

It's a bold move.

 

Only in your warped right wing imagination is fourteen years of decimating slash and burn budget cuts a ‘centre ground policy’
It’s classic ‘small state’ Thatcherism, but far more extreme than even Thatcher dared to go. And, of course, the Tories’ private sector friends have totally failed to provide the investment that cutting the public sector to ribbons is supposed to facilitate.

When are you going to understand that only a small fraction of the population share your total obsession with immigration and culture wars? Answer, never, because you never see outside your tiny little Bradford world.
As Clinton said, “It’s the economy, Stupid” that most people base their general election vote on. Huge swathes of the (much more populous) south of England are turning against the Tories because they’re repelled by their Reform UK-lite obsessions and because fourteen years of economic incompetence has made nearly everyone poorer. Adopting the policies you would like will simply make the Labour majority bigger.

 

@Aaron Baker

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/07/labour-will-surpass-your-expectations-the-leftwing-thinktank-boss-standing-on-starmers-agenda?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Confirmation, as I thought, that Labour is keeping stuff under wraps because the Tories keep nicking their ideas. Not ideal at all but clearly necessary in current circumstances.


“You get a lot of ‘Labour has no ideas,’” says Fahnbulleh, who in her work for Rayner and Miliband is tasked with both developing bold new ideas and making sure they can be implemented in government.

“But part of the challenge is that every time Labour has pushed out an idea, it’s been nicked. So you can forgive the team for saying: ‘We’re trying to give a sense of what we’re about, and a flavour of some of our policies, but we’re not going to give you the full thing now.’”

Labour, in her view, will be more progressive than its critics anticipate, through plans for a transformation of workers’ rights and the creation of a state-owned energy company.

 

Horrible politics and a rancid excuse.

The thought process doesn't stack up either. If they're going to move further to the left to become more progressive the chances it the Conservatives nicking the idea surely become less?

I don't know why that persons opinion would matter though. Never heard of her.

 

What a pathetic excuse for keeping your policies under wrap.

The truth is, Starmer hasn't a clue on how to turn round the economy and all the other so called Tory failures.

My consolation is that Labour will serve no more than one term and then it' will be back to the Conservatives as Mourdant smashes whoever is in charge in 4 or 5 years

 

What is it, exactly, that worries you so much about what Labour will do on the economy? It can’t possibly be worse than the abysmal Tory economic record of the past 14 years, which is the worst in living memory.

 

The fact that various policies are seen as more left than right hasn’t previously stopped the Tories nicking them. They have no credible policy ideas of their own. They’re just a zombie government waiting and hoping that something will happen to damage Labour.

 

It's what Labour will do with everything mate that always bothers me.

Will my pension fund that has done extremely well in the past few years take a downward turn for example.

Conservatives have failed miserably to stop the flow of migrants swamping us, but I fear that the migrant friendly Labour party will make it even far worse.

I concede defeat to Labour, but let's face it, they will only be getting in because the Conservatives have imploded with all their in house fighting since they foolishly got rid of Boris.

Boris, In my opinion, if left alone, would have beaten Starmer in the next election.

But like I say, I reckon the Conservatives will regroup under someone like Mourdant and be back in power quicker than its taking City to get out of league 2.
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The Muslim vote will be so powerful in 5 years time that they will have their own independant parties and split the Labour to such an extent that they will be finished.

 

Agree with you Idle apart from Boris, I know there was covid and stuff but he took his eye of the ball, went full throttle in to the net zero nonsense and failed to even tackle the channel invasion.
The lefties on here will one day see what we can see but for now remain deaf and blind to the realities....but hey oh...!!