UK Politics

There isn't one, we are going out without a whimper ...

 

The country is changing demographically at a pace and most of it has no allegiance to the flag. As I've said I'm not a massive flag waiver but I do understand this country and society in general is going through massive change, not all of it I agree with.

 

Our generation has lived through the best of times, dodged WW2 and will check out before the inevitable uprising to come ....

 

Definitely strange times ahead Tone. I might not live to see it but there is definitely a large scale power shift on the horizon to dethrone the USA. China the major threat to their domination. Not sure China see too kindly to the woke brigade that infiltrates American society these days.

 

Alternatively, once the ageing nostalgists like you have all died off, the country will get on with living together more peacefully without all the muck raking and belly aching. Most of the culture war shit comes from older people who can’t cope with change. A large majority of people under fifty don’t have a hissy fit about people who look or speak differently from themselves.

 

So why not shut up moaning about it all the time?

 

Why do you call it infiltration? It is simply a younger generation who have different values. My generation’s parents in the 60s thought the apocalypse was upon them because people grew their hair, smoked dope and had sex before marriage. It’s no different.

 

There are numerous psephalogic reasons why it’s much, much harder for Labour to win elections than the Tories, under our first past the post system. Because the Labour vote is mostly concentrated in a smaller number of large urban areas it took an average of 59,817 votes to elect a Labour MP at the last election, compared to 38,300 for a Tory MP. Then add in the overwhelming Tory bias of the British print media and it’s a wonder any Labour MPs ever get elected.
We shall see at this years GE. Most polls and psephologists are predicting a Tory wipeout. If that happens (and I’m not convinced it will) then Starmer should easily get two terms - especially if the Tories go further to the right, as is likely. Contrary to what some people on here believe, UK elections are won in the centre ground. The experiences of Corbyn and Michael Howard demonstrate this.

 

Just listen to yourself ........

 

Starmer won't get two terms. The feet stampers on the edges of the party will make sure of that. Lets not kid ourselves, Labour ain't getting to power because they offer a valid alternative, its because the country would rather have anyone to takeover what has been a disastrous tenure from the Tories for the working classes.
Believe me if there was a viable alternative to Labour then Labour would never get voted in. But then all i ask for in this world is honesty and accountability and this simply doesn't exist in politics.

 

Funny thing is he actually believes with that statement that when the older generation dies off everyone will lives happily ever after in some wonderful diverse utopia. Give me the generation of my parents anyday over the society we have today. If that counts as being nostalgic i couldn't care less.

 

I rarely agree with you politically, but you generally articulate your argument very well.

However, this is bonkers.

So you actually believe that once all the current over 50's in the country are dead, the country will be a better place to live and everyone will live in a peaceful and harmonious existence?

Deluded to the highest extreme mate, or maybe it was an early April Fools joke?

 

Dad

Starmer may not get two terms but I think Labour will as the Tories will continue to in fight for the next few years and continue their self destruction.

 

I've voted Conversative ever since dear old Maggie became leader of the party.

However, I'm struggling to remain loyal to the current regime, but could never vote Labour or Liberal. Looks like it will be Reform for me and many other lifelong Tory voters.

I want my country back!

 

Another piece of irony is that I believe this bloke is already in his sixties and probably not far behind us both but not yet grown up or earned his 'wisdom' wings .....

 

You make a good point on what why politics is in such a mess. Neither of the big parties know what they are or what they stand for due to internal conflict.

 

I never said that there will be some ‘wonderful diverse utopia’, did I? I said ‘more peacefully’, which means less argumentatively than now. There will always be some conflicts in society. But it’s now well established that the majority (not all, obviously) of the very divisive ‘anti-woke’ culture war stuff is coming from older people and that most younger people a) hold much more liberal views and b) aren’t becoming as conservative as they get older as previous generations did. My kids are in their mid 30s. They and all their friends live happily cheek by jowl with people of all colours, creeds and sexualities and don’t understand why so many older people are freaked by demographic change and liberal views. So there is some hope that, as those who still hanker after the Britain of the mid 20th century die off, then the worst of the antagonism will gradually fade. Which is not the same as saying there will be a wonderfully diverse utopia.

 

See my reply to Rogered Tart above.

Clearly, anyone who regards the despised Thatcher as ‘dear old Maggie’ is not going to see the world the same way as me.

 

What utter bollocks. Nowhere is it written that you have to become narrow minded, cynical and deeply socially conservative as you grow older. Although, tbh, I strongly suspect that you were always like that.