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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, May 5, 2021.

  1. Bronco

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    We've never left the pro-remain MPs saw to that, May with her watered down deal, Labour and other parties voting everything down that were potential deal breakers voting down the "leave with no deal" off the table.
    Similar to the asylum laws they are not fit for purpose in this day and age, how do countries vet every single asylum/economic migrant that want to enter their country when they have no documentation lost in the English Channel, shame their mobiles didn't get lost overboard.
     
  2. Edin Nowhere

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  3. Aaron Baker

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    You keep mentioning it but refuse to enter into any discussion about how actually useful it was.

    How much benefit did the UK (or any other country) get from the Dublin accord?

    It was a meaningless piece of legislation with zero impact on immigration.
     
  4. Aaron Baker

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    The government is screwed - and they are truly screwed - because they keep listening to people who won't vote for them regardless of what they do. They're basically a right wing party in terms of rhetoric but a centre left party in terms of action and they remove anybody who wants to take them back to their roots. They deserve everything they get.

    Johnson was a terrible politician and even worse decision maker but getting rid of him when he'd won such a huge mandate and was slightly behind in the polls might be looked back upon as their biggest blunder ever. They only did it because they couldn't control a narrative and bowed to pressure from people who just wanted him out....rightly or wrongly.

    Then Truss....who made errors in timing and communication no doubt....but the Torys allowed a narrative of "destroyed the economy" when every meaningful measure has probably got worse over the course of the months she left anyway. Another failing in controlling the narrative.

    Even Braverman. A typical "mean" Tory but who focused on the things that your typical Tory voter wants to hear. Require good communication, controlling the narrative and a bit of backbone, but nope, the centre left won't get on board so out she goes too.

    Even funnier is the fact they brought back Cameron....a man who in collaboration with Osborne made every wrong prediction on Brexit its possible to make. What is that going to look like to the typical red wall voter if such a thing even actually still exists?

    They've ended up being a party that talks tough and then collapses the first time they come under pressure. They deserve everything they're going to get. If only Labour filled me with any more confidence on their reliability to hold a line and stick to a policy.
     
  5. Edin Nowhere

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    Politics in the UK is fecked.

    10 MPs have quit shadow cabinet jobs to vote on something that the UK had absolutely no say on at all.

    Then you have Sunak claiming he is the savior by reducing inflation when he had absolutely no control or did anything to do so as it was down to the global energy market and gas being half the wholesale price it was this time last year.

    He is also looking to claim to push on with the Rwanda thing by bringing in emergency legislation which will just see this in the courts again and the can kicked well down the road on small boats.

    Unfortunately we have to sail on rudderless for the next year because Sunak wants another year in the job.
     
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  6. JonButterfield

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    In all fairness, it's actually important to keep changing government lest they become complacent, arrogant, and start tearing themselves to pieces as any unchallenged authority will.

    The Conservatives have been in power for too long, it doesn't really matter what your political affiliation is, it's pretty bloody clear by now.

    Those who don't want Labour kinda just need to accept that it's the right thing for the country for now. Voting Tory again is beyond stupid. Some will still vote Tory again (out of nothing but spite), but if you're going to do that at least place a bet on who the Prime Minister might be 4 years after the election, because chances are it will change once, twice, maybe even thrice in that time which does nobody any good. No leadership, no control. The groundwork is already being put in place to replace Rishi FFS and yeah he's a bit shit, but the Tories lost all their leaders a couple of years ago.

    Change is the right thing to vote for this time around, if only to stop the Conservative party from perpetual capitulation at our expense.
     
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    It's kind of a weird idea that you need to vote for something you don't believe in occasionally because change is good.

    I agree with your characterisation of the Tory party and that's exactly where the years of caving to pressure on any difficult to explain issue has got them.

    Unless something incredible happens I probably will vote Labour in the next GE - if I vote at all - but i dont half wish it didn’t feel like the scene from The Simpsons

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  8. Rogered Tart

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    It's simply the reason i don't vote.
     
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    They've definitely got a Ryan Sparks version of that.
     
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    I voted last time, for the first time in a while and look what I was rewarded with!

    I'll probably go back to not bothering and just crack on without giving that particular circus the time of day.
     
  11. JonButterfield

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    As we live through a Cost of Living Crisis, the Tories are having nightmares about a Cost of Dying Crisis that affects inheritance for the rich lol
     
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    Seems we can only afford a tax cut for the ultra rich by cutting benefits for the poor to pay for them, Good to see good old Tory beliefs returning to the party
     
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    Currently, more Home Secretaries have been flown to Rwanda than migrants **so funny
     
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    Shame they don’t stay there.
     
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    Why is this shower wanting to die on the hill of Rwanda?

    Only 100 people could be sent there and they would send people back in return.
    Talk of it being a deterrent is laughable as if you are willing to cross the channel to get to the UK, you are more than likely happy to try your luck in being not in the 100 out of the 30k+ each year that come across.

    Sunak is an absolute chump and he looks dafter by the day. Even zero personality Starmer is tearing him a new arsehole at PMQs now on a weekly basis.
     
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    Of no less importance than the Rwanda debacle, why has Boris Johnson taken to wearing a Grimsby Town grey & black woollen hat on his way into the Covid Inquiry? Is it part of a cunning disguise gone wrong? :eek2:

    Or does GTFC stand for something else? ;)
     
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    So the current cost of the Rwanda deal isn't £155m it's £240m.

    Rwanda has Sunak bent over the table without lube.
     
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    Swivel eyed loons on the right wing of the Tory Party demanding legislation that completely sidesteps the ECHR and allows no appeal rights.

    Rwandan government saying that if we don’t abide by the ECHR/allow appeals then the deal is off.

    Tinpot quasi dictatorship regime making our governing party look utterly ridiculous (as if they weren’t already doing that job well enough themselves).

    This would be utterly hilarious if it weren’t costing us £240m plus the existing costs of housing asylum seekers while the government digs itself deeper and deeper into an unscaleable hole.

    I thought the Johnson administration was the most incompetent government of my lifetime. But Sunak’s rabble is fighting hard for that title.
     
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    So who will be the new Tory leader after the New Year?
     
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    Dream team.......................Suella and Farage.................sorted...
     
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