Trueman and Sellars - permanent deal

If you listen to Sparks interview on the Hard Truth podcast he certainly indicates he wants them at the club for a long time. It will be done soon but as a previous post said they’re just simply too busy atm with the hectic schedule to sit down and talk contracts.

 

Cheers @Fordy117
I think the failings of past managers have been endemic of short termism and trying to do things on the cheap. And that stems from Rhodes allowing Parky to have far too much control. Thats not a blueprint for success.
And because the manager held all the cards we rushed into recruiting a replacement each time because we were a ruderless ship without one. This has lead to the mess we were in up until a few months ago.
Ironically it's taken someone who was considered too young and inexperienced for the job to see the issues and start to build an infastructure.

 

Yet under Phil Parkinson we had our only success since the Premier days, who knows where we might have been as a club without Rack & Ruin pissing Parkinson off.

 

When we are mathematically safe is the time to make them permanent managers.

 

I think Parky's success was also part of the issue. As he brought success he cemented his position of control and power over the club. He was allowed too much control.
He walked primarily because he didn't want to let go of that power. He didn't want to work in a structure that shared control with others -primarily in the area of recruitment. And when he left he took everything with him. That we were able to build a team to make the play-off final from just 7 professionals left in the building the following season is nothing short of remarkable.
Ironically, one of the new owners who wanted to devolve power ended up wanting to control everything.
Rhodes was used to a system that put all the responsibility on the manager's shoulders and that wasn't any better to Rahic's 'fuhrer principle'.

 

So April?

 

Cant agree with much of this :
Parky was part of the issue, we had no issues with the club until the take over, yes he left because he was smarter than many at Valley Parade and read exactly what he thought Rahic wanted with regards input into the football side.
I'd suggest most successful managers could be accused of cementing their position at their clubs, Revie, Shankly, Clough, Ferguson, Wenger, Pep, Klopp, they all had massive input into their relevant clubs, during his time at Valley Parade Parkinson had worked with what the co-owners were prepared to allow him, ie giving him a player budget to spend as he wanted to give him the best chance to bring Bradford City success, and by running a manageable deficit that both Parkinson and the fans understood if he failed to deliver Cup success or promotion we may have to sell players.
Although Parkinson got stick at the time he left Stuart the backbone of a very good squad in Stephen Darby, James Meredith, Mark Marshall, Billy Clarke, Rory McArdle, Tony McMahon, James Hanson, and Filipe Morais, the club adding Nicky Law, Romain Vincelot, Timothee Dieng, Jordy Hiwula, Colin Doyle, Marc McNulty and bringing Josh Cullen back for unfinished business.
I would think all things football was a requisite Parkinson demanded, he was judged on his success or failure, something both Mark & Julian seemed happy to go along with and it did work well at the time for all parties including us fans.
With regards taking everything with him, again we don't know the back ground of what was Parkinson's and what was the clubs, even if he had left all his documents would Stuart have wanted them I very much doubt it, they were both quite different managers in how they saw football being played.
Sorry mate we usually agree on most things Bradford City but not this time, hopefully the times are changing as Mr Dylan sang, and as you say we get a plan and stick to it right from the kids in the youth/development right through to the first team.

 

No need to aplogise @Bronco thats all part of a forum and good healthy debate. It would be a poorer forum if we all agreed on every aspect of BCFC.
You've put your case forward in a well thought and non-aggresive or confrontational (sic) way☺
Firstly I agree that Parky left McCall with the spine of a good team to build from.
I also don't wish to take away what Parkinson did for the club. He stopped it falling into obscurity. But I still believe some of the failings post-Rahic have their roots in the Parky/Rhodes era.
In repect to the managers you've cited it's intetesting that in the cases of Revie, Clough, Furguson and Wenger. None of these clubs have reached the heights they did under these managers. The possible exception was Liverpool who recruited internally right through to the 80's. So that could be seen as taking the 'Shankly way' and continuing it. But from the end of the 80's....
As for Klopp and Pep, well lets see what happens when these two leave their respective clubs. Could we see another Arsenal/Man Utd situation where the manager becomes bigger than the club itself? Only time will tell.

 

My comments with regards the likes of Shankly, Revie, Clough, were regarding their time at Liverpool, Leeds and Derby/Forest etc, I would think their boards would do their utmost to give the manager every support they could financially, as you say several if not all of them at some time have had a fall from grace except for Arsenal and Liverpool they have all dropped from League One as it was or the Premier League as it is now known, it would be interesting to know if they all had 5/10 year plans going.
I believe in Revie's case if the England manager had not be offered he could have taken Leeds onto even better things, he was the man who planned for the future be that mind games, changing the Leeds strip to all White, his attention to detail having documents on every team their strengths and weaknesses to wanting the rebuilding of the Elland Road ground.
Funny I have just finished listening to the Ryan Sparks pod cast and he mentioned Parkinson had a recruitment guy who found the players Parky was looking, maybe he found said player and then Parky had a word to see if they had the right characteristics for his team.
Having listened to Ryan and what he wants for our club going forward I cant wait to get back, it was a very good honest debate.

 

In a nutshell. Parky built a team with character and backbone. McCall embellished it with A more attacking philosophy. Rahic took a wrecking ball to 7 years of bantam progressivism through arrogance and we have been recovering pretty much since.
For the first time Since we appear to have a Cohesive plan On and off the field. Early days still but optimistic for longer term improvement for the first time in years.

 

Anyone read the Wood article in the T&A again talking about the analysis and preparation the co-managers put in to get the team sorted.

Brilliant stuff.

 

It will be interesting to see if what Wood is saying has any bearing on a new contract especially if he/the players believe T&S could deliver a promotion.

 

I still doubt that he truly left for that reason. Ok, he might have met Rahic a couple of times and not taken a liking to him, but it was the closed season, no action at the club and he never even tried to build a relationship with either. Parkinson left because of a combination of things, partly this, partly because he probably thought he could only go downwards in his reputation here and partly because Bolton offered him more money.

 

I can assure you he was not going to put up with what Rahic was suggesting, but if you believe otherwise fine.

 

In real life, and I would somehow class football as real life, people dont quit jobs after two meetings with a new boss and not having at least tried to make a go of it. He went because he had an offer on the table. If that wasnt there then there is no chance in a million years he would have made himself unemployed after a brief chat with Rahic.

 

Your wrong.

 

Get real man. This is real life. You don't walk out on a good job without another to go to unless you have something lined up and the speed with which he was unveiled at Bolton says exactly that.

Parky's not daft, why would he walk out and risk unemployment when he could have waited to be sacked and get compensation. He had a year left on his contract.

You are not living in the real world if you think he left after two 20 minutes chats with Rahic because he "didnt like his vibe". You are just creating an urban myth with absolutely no substantiation.

 

Quote what you like your still wrong, end of, your becoming to sound like fordy when other options are offered.

 

Not really. I can just see the reality of this situation and you can't. You need to realise YOU aren't right about everything and sometimes there is another logical explanation other than yours. In this case, I'm afraid you are totally off piste and your logic is flawed.

We will agree to differ before the inner @fordy in me starts responding with a yawn.

 

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/19102598.wood-praises-best-ever-analysis-bradford-city-bosses/

A very positive read. I know you have to take whats in the press with a pinch of salt, but a few players have remarked on the level of analysis and prep that T&S share with the players. Its great to read and it hopefully reinforces that the great start they've had isn't a flash in the pan.