Transfer Rumours 2019/20

If you read what he has put on Instagram, he says Justin advised him last week on the phone, Josh has said it will happen. We have no idea what that advice was, could be go out and play for Bradford City and prove the doubters wrong or he will sign for the O’s.

 

The goal posts haven't been changed. I didn't want to discuss historical data dating back to 2012 as it holds no relevance to us today. I am however more than happy to discuss recent form as it holds more substance, and nowhere have I opposed doing this. It was also YOU who posted last seasons stats and not me. I'm merely discussing the points you are putting forward.

You're point still stands, but so does mine. I can see why you would use those stats and interpret them in a certain way, but I also think they are flawed. There's no guarantee that Hanson would have scored 5 penalties if given he opportunity to do so. It also doesn't factor in mismanagement which I think contributed to Doyle's performances or the extent to which both players have declined, which i think is far worse for Hanson given that he's underperformed for about 3 years now.

It's all just a matter of perspective and you should stop getting so flustered at opinions different to yours.

 

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/kristian-dennis-attracting-interest-striker-2957970
Wonder if he fancies coming to finish his pizza,might be a tad cold like.

 

One of the best posts I have read in such a long time. I doff my hat sir

 

Fecking hope not.

 

I'll take the bet . . .

 

I hope @Bradford End has a few bob then as we're queuing up!

 

I’m not getting flustered. Merely making the point that Doyle only scored 7 times all season in L1 from open play. Hanson was only 2 behind despite playing half the minutes. That’s not subjective- that’s factual. Of course there’s no guarantees, hence why I said pro-rata Hanson’s strike rate was on par to Doyle’s and better if you only look at goals from open play.

Doyle hasn’t had a great career in all fairness. Had a great season for Chesterfield and another last season for Oldham, but other than that, he’s been bang average.

And this season he didn’t even reach those dizzy heights. Maybe the injury/illness he picked up last season has affected him more than we thought. But for some to say Hanson isn’t fit to lace Doyle’s boots was disrespectful and unfair, especially if going by this season alone

 

If you want to use those particular set of stats to back up your point then fair enough. I can see where you are coming from.

It isn't the only argument on the topic though. There are factors that go beyond last seasons stats (which you can read above) that can be used to suggest that Doyle, today, is the better player and it isn't disrespectful and unfair to point it out.

 

The idea that Eoin Doyle is a goalscorer isn't based on his time at Bradford City.

Award points to whoever you want in terms of the debates, but the very fact he's being compared to lumps like Akinfenwa and Hanson in terms of goal scoring prowess says it all, even if his strike rate is SLIGHTLY higher.

However, talking facts @BoingBoing, it is definitely worth taking into account that Doyle's first season at Chesterfield was virtually identical to his first season here - and his second season at Chesterfield was phenomenal.

Now if I were to guess why Doyle had limited success in that FIRST season, it was probably down to being played up front as a sole striker or paired with 5'11 Marc Richards.

In his second season, Doyle was played as a sole striker or ended up playing off 6'4 Armand Gnanduillet.

Since it's unlikely anyone will successfully argue Gnanduillet is a better player than Marc Richards was, the first season-second season disparity is worth noting should Doyle stay at City.

 

But you’re only as good as your last game Ali. And by this, forgetting everything else, when comparing the 2 players’ output for their respective teams, there’s nothing to suggest that TODAY, Doyle is the better player.

I’ll leave it there.

 

I’ve solved it lads.

Hanson’s shit, but playing in a marginally better side.

Doyle’s slightly less shit, but playing in a worse side.

Both are stealing a living. Neither should be here next season.

Sorted.

It’s fine anyway. We’re signing Kieffer Moore. Maybe.

 

That makes LOADSA sense!

Guy achieves two Wembley trips for a League Two club playing a starring role, but 'stole his living' somehow, while the other is a proven first teamer coming towards the end of a reasonably good career.

Also stealing his living.

Good logic!

 

You're using the same set of stats post after post after post, and each and everytime you're getting the same response- I can see why you might use those figures to suggest that there's not much between both players. Perhaps you can now, several posts in, address some of the other points put forward.

*Has Doyle like Hanson underperformed for 2-3 years on the trot failing for numerous clubs in the process?

*Would Doyle have scored more goals if we had played to his strengths?

*Does a misused player constitute as a poor one?

*Is it fair to assume that Hanson by default would have scored the 5 goals you are excluding from Doyle's stats?

etc etc etc...

When trying to determine which player is better, there's a lot more to it than what you're prepared to discuss, but you're too short sighted to see that.

 

First of all, this whole debate started because someone referred back to Hanson’s past record. You said you didn’t want to go back in time. Probably not as far back to when Hanson was playing well, but long enough back to show Doyle only had 1 poor season, right?!

Why do I keep regurgitating the same stats? Because they are the only factual part we can use. And for the record, I’ve not excluded any goals from Doyle, let alone five...!

You keep claiming that Doyle was misused, that we didn’t play to his strengths and asked if Doyle has had 3 consecutive poor seasons (as Hanson has). All subjective, hence why I didn’t reply.

Who said he was ‘misused’? How did Oldham play him? ‘We didn’t play to his strengths’? What are those strengths? Couldn’t the same criticism be used for Hanson’s last few yrs at the club? Booting it long so he can do nothing but flick it on, helped nobody.

They both had a poor season just gone. So, as requested, let’s look at their other seasons.

Hanson - 2016/17: scored 5 in 2174 mins (ave 1 in 435 mins). Was in and out of sides due to constant injuries/niggles.

Doyle - 2016/17: scored 3 in 1515 mins (ave 1 in 505 mins). Started the season in the Championship but loaned to Pompey in L2. Did they ‘misuse’ him too?

Hanson 2017/18: scored 0 in 960 mins. Injury ravaged season meaning he only featured in 15mins of Championship action and 945 mins in L1.

Doyle 2017/18: scored 14 in 2580 mins (ave 1 in 184 mins). A good return and could have been even better had he not picked up his illness. A point to note is that after that illness ruled him out for 7 games, he only managed 2 in his last 13 games. Form he has continued into this season.

So, arguments could be that Hanson’s injuries over the past 3 seasons have badly affected him. He needs to get fit and stay fit. Big if, I know. But the facts also show that Doyle has only had 1 season better, last season.

The other obvious comparison is their goals over a longer period;

Hanson:
13 (39) L2
14 (49) L2
12 (35) L1
9 (38) L1
11 (41) L1
5 (30) L1
0 (1) Championship & 0 (17) L1
5 (29) L1

Doyle:
1 (13) SPL
11 (36), SPL
11 (43), L2
21 (26) L1 & 5 (16) Championship
3 (28) Championship
1 (11) Championship & 2 (12) L2
14 (30) L1
11 (44) L1

Personally speaking I wouldn’t want Hanson back. His fitness has to be a major concern. But equally, Doyle has it all to do too. Having 1 good season in his last 4, doesn’t prove to me that he’s so much better that deserved the quote that Hanson isn’t fit to lace his boots.

 

Yep I’d be well up for that bet too.

 

The easy fix you're all overlooking

Doyle + Hanson= Goals.

There, sorted.

 

5 years ago, maybe.

 

2 Wembley trips, 6 years ago.

5 goals in 3 years more recently. Stealing a living.

 

Well according to the T&A this morning we are close to making our fourth summer signing. Saying that it doesn't necessarily mean Parker knows anything, I think we could all forecast a signing this week.