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  1. NorthernMonkey

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    So yesterday it's reported that there is no way the investigation can be finalised before the weekend so he's clear to play and 24 hours later it's all wrapped up, including a second allegation with the words "nothing to see here m8".

    I'm absolutely certain this investigation was as thorough as would have been expected if the roles were reversed.

    Anyone got a carpet to sweep this under?
     
  2. Rogered Tart

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    Well in an interesting turn of events, according to Curry he'd also been the victim of the same abuse from the same player in the autumn test of 2022. So now we have two possible clear scenarios. That Tom Curry is a born liar trying to accuse an innocent man of a crime or that World Rugby has done a cover up. Why they would do that is open to debate but worryingly Curry has been castigated by a big section of social media not just after the decision by World Rugby but also before it. A bit like the grooming gang scandal, it seems you are strongly discouraged from making a complaint unless it fits a certain narrative to a point where your life will be made hell.
    Theres a bigger story at play here.
     
  3. Dennis

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    He's their 'principal recognised hooker' whatever that means. They are however allowed to bring in a replacement hooker if he is unavailable. I suspect that World Rugby will stall on this and not come to a conclusion until after the final .. and then ban him!
     
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    Or a 3rd option - if you're a white male, the bar is so high as to qualify any allegation of having been prejudiced, so no one sees any wrongdoing.

    I've seen first hand in my business, how at the highest level, 'positive discrimination' is a force for good. And having challenged some of that narrative quite gently, I was left with a very clear sense that challenging it more strongly would have a very clear ending for me personally.

    These are dark times.
     
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  5. Dennis

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    It was a weird incident. What Mbonambi said to Curry himself wasn't picked up on any of the mikes. When Curry reported it to the ref, every word of that was heard via ref's mike. The ref didn't do anything about it at the time but clearly included it in his match report. World Rugby are now investigating. Calling somebody a c**t is hardly a crime particularly in the heat of a big game but when it is preceded by white, as it was, it does change things.
     
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    I believe Jon Terry was fined and banned for calling Anton Ferdinand the exact same thing. And I say exact, even though Terry used the word black instead of white....because really, there should be no difference. Of course in this instance, it won't go any further, and it'll be put down to the player being angry after years of institutionalised racial segregation. Ticking off at most.
     
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    Are there any precedences set for a non white person found guilty of racist abuse against a white person in sport? I'd probably say not.
     
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    The nearest one I recall was in cricket in a test match between India and Australia at least 10 years ago. In the game, Harbajhan Singh called Andrew Symonds a monkey. Symonds was mixed race rather than white. It doesn't entirely accord with what you asked for. Harbajhan however did receive a ban for the rest of their test series.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see if the authorities act upon the allegation before or after the final. I think I read somewhere that he was the only recognised hooker that South Africa have.
     
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    The cynic in me suspects that you may well be correct in your assumption.
     
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    If he is banned and they aren't allowed a replacement then for safety reasons they will go to uncontested scrums. Unless the rules have changed for scrums to be contested teams have to field a "recognised" front row...I think
     
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    There is no way World Rugby will go to uncontested scrums. SA have 2 other players who have already played hooker for the Springboks - Fourie and van der Staden. They may not be of the same standard as Mbonambi but they are obviously safe options.

    I don't have much sympathy for the Springboks. Their 'reserve' hooker Marx was injured at the start of the tournament and returned home. A replacement was sent out, not another hooker or even a front rower. SA chose to replace him with Handre Pollard, a fly half! They must have assumed that there was already adequate cover as hooker and preferred another kicker.
     
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    Is that what he said, white c-word?

    Pretty easy ban, I suppose can they prove it is the question?
     
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    The ending I thought would happen as soon as Curry made his complaint. Personally I have no problem with the decision if that's what they have decided after reviewing the evidence. Just one observation though. Had this have been a role reversal I can guarantee you this would not have been the outcome. Because that's not how the whole racism industry/gravy train works. Remember the teacher at Batley? Had death threats and had to move house ( I know someone who knows him well). And now Curry is the one being berated on social media.
    Strange world we live in folks.
     
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    There are those who genuinely believe it's not possible for a white person to be a victim of racism.

    I'm sick of the whole thing. Identity politics and the move from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome is doing nothing but polarise people and stir hatred. I despair at the narrative.

    And the way that identity politics is now being pushed in the workplace worries me greatly.
     
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    In my opinion, there'll never be a positive outcome by shifting from seeing things like colur, race, religion, sexuality as an irrelevance anyone other than the individual. But we've shifted to a narrative that places those characteristics as paramount. Group identity politics ends in death. Literally. History offers the lesson but we keep going round the same circle.
     
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    Does that rule apply even if he is banned?
     
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    Does it? I didn't realise racism was a two way street.
     
  19. Storck

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    they have another player they have been using in the front row as a sub so surely they could play the whole game
     
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    I don't know. I was just responding to the other post. Shame it wasn't uncontested scrums last week looking at how they demolished Englands front row subs
     
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