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"Liberal elite bubble" - what a load of lazy right wing twaddle.
There's nothing 'elite' about me or any of my friends. My family background is stuffed full of dockers. I passed the 11+ in 1967 but was denied entry to my local grammar school and sent to a second tier Technical High School full of bright working class kids like me. I'm the first member of my extended family on either side to go to university and came to Bradford because it was the only university that would have me, having been rejected by Birmingham and East Anglia.
I worked as a social worker for 32 years and when I left in 2016 I earned the princely sum of £33k, despite various post qualification credentials and acknowledged expertise in my mental health law field. Teachers and social workers aren't any kind of elite. They earn average white collar salaries that are considerably lower than many working in the private sector with similar qualifications and responsibilities. Yes, nearly all have gone to university, but that's no longer 'elite', it's now the norm for half the nation's kids and around a third of the population has a degree.
The real elite are the public school twats who currently run our country and stifle social mobility with their old school tie, jobs for the boys connections. They perpetrate this lazy 'liberal elite' bollocks because it masks their stranglehold on our corridors of power, and people like you suck it up and swallow it whole. We are a nation of serfs who put up with this crap and might as well still be doffing our caps to the bosses.
Like I said, more people voted against the Tories than for them. The electoral odds are stacked in their favour and they'll continue gerrymandering the system to make sure that continues to be the case.

 

There is a split, no doubt. But I honestly think that most people in this country are reasonably middle ground, holding sensible opinions and just wanting to get on with their life and get on with their fellow citizens. I think much of the polarisation is deliberately stirred by the media and then exacerbated on social media. Its the minority, with loud and 'extreme' views that get the air time and attention. There's a battleground on race, now on gender. I think most people are getting sick of it tbh.

Its why we end up with scandalous acts like this.

https://news.sky.com/story/schoolboys-made-to-apologise-for-stuff-we-didnt-do-during-assembly-about-sexual-assault-12260783

And I'm sure I read the other day that the demographic thats struggling most in school and later life, measured across a number of facets, is white working class boys.

 

But are you not in that sort of bubble when your in agreement that all of your particular acquaintances are of roughly an aligned persuasion. It might not be liberal elite but uts definitely aligned to your leanings? By equating it to the election results it got a little bit conflicted between party politics and ideology and I did kinda run one one part of that so I do apologise for that.

I don't agree with Trevor that it's a tiny minority but everyone over estimates the amount of people who agree with them when the majority are bang in yhe middle.

I don't actually think there's too much of a consensus on here at all to be honest. It's pretty well spread. There's plenty of intelligent challenges to most viewpoints.

 

They can I didn't mean to imply they can't.

The outlook of many modern left wing students (focus on identity politics, use of language, equality of outcome, etc, etc) is different to the traditional working class identifiers of the my parents generation though. It's literally the internal issues the Labour Party is faced with.

 

It's always been the case. Young people have always been more inclined to the left but historically people don't keep the same values. That's not a new phenomena.

However the issues I was really pointing out was that the activist left that is currently growing (I listed a few other categories alongside students but what you call them isn't really important, it's more the ideals behind them) who seem more bothered about putting pronouns in their bios and "eating the rich" do not in any way match up with those who see Labour and the left as the party of the miners and the working grafters.

The more they sway towards and focus on the former the more they actually lose the latter.

 

Same. I'm technically a millennial, came from what can only be described as poor situation but am pretty happy with where I have got to.

I find it a weird one because to me, my generation and my kids have NEVER had more opportunities. The "only" downside is that my parents lived through the housing boom (and didn't own one) so that will always affect the outlook.

Apart from that though I can't understand the negativity and disenfranchisement if I'm honest. Opportunity is there, but it seems to be an outlook that it doesn't count until its handed to people.

 

There are plenty of opportunities for the young of today but they have to work hard for it, Mostly it is a matter of making the best of what you have and most important of all is attitude, With this and hard work there is no reason you should be any worse off than the previous generation who did exactly the same.

 

There are many types of young people and not just one section, Like life in general they are made up of those that know what they want from life and are prepared to work hard for it, Those that just want a good life and again are prepared to work the hours needed to better themselves and those that feel the world owes them a living and not prepared to put the effort in blaming society instead of themselves,

Giving a University education to those without the drive and ambition to use it has created a section of the young that feel that it in itself should be enough to have entitlement without the work ethic needed to succeed

 

House prices is the one area of society where it's true and fully agree.

It's easy for people to say that you should just get on the ladder early but I bought a "starter home" 13 years ago and it's now worth £25k less than it was then The issues is that more people have benefited from the bubble than have been detrimented by it.

But yeah, it's more difficult now than it was before unless your parents benefited from the boom.

The expectation that housing should be cheap seems to be something we all need to get over in reality.

 

The government is providing 5% deposit schemes for first time buyers and even a Mortgage ISA, Most councils will only approve new housing schemes if it includes a percentage of affordable homes, Banks will lend up to 5 times earnings and mortgages that are longer than 25 years, None of these were available to help in the past, you either saved/ borrowed 10% or waited

 

Now a day's its usually the bank of mum & dad and if they have the financial capability to help they usually do, or lets say many of my friends and relatives have done.

 

Stop paying attention to it all then. this stuff has as much power over you as you let it. David Jason can defend himself, and anyone with half a brain cell can see he's probably not a horrid racist or whatever it is he's being called. Get off twitter and go do something else because imo, its getting to the point where people are just looking for this confrontation on both sides. Using twitter as a barometer of anything is and always will be a mugs game

 

Jabber away ...... to yourself!

 

Walked with pooch in local park this morning. Litter and left food galore. Had to keep dog in her lead.