Time keeping new changes

Yes just watched it. Wow! Even the Stoke player was bemused!!

 

Thanks now it makes sense.

 

I can't think of a time when fans have been satisfied with the standard of refereeing and they never will be. It's as good now as it ever will be. The problem fans have is that for all borderline decisions of which there are many every game, they expect the referees to give the decisions that they want. I know I'm in the minority here but I think the standard of refereeing is reasonable. For every decision we moan about, there's an opposition fan saying its the right call and vice versa. One thing I'm 100% sure of is that if anyone on here ever reffed a league game, you'd be getting a police escort off the pitch after 5 minutes.

 

There will be plenty of decisions which fans think are wrong but they aren't, sometimes because they don't know the laws. A perfect example of that is in the Middlesbrough friendly they said the scorer of the 1st was offside when he wasn't as he wasn't active. It's not the first time I've heard some fans think that being in an offside position means they are offside like from free kicks when some players know the ball will go to the opposite side so stand offside to get an advantage.There is no league in the world that think they have amazing referees and that's because referees are an easy out for them.

 

I've noticed over the last 2 seasons instead of not blowing up for every physical challenge and players rolling around as if they'd been shot the referee waves play on and I'm very much in favour of that,
Yesterday I thought the referee blew up and gave yellows for minor challenges, the game couldn't be classed as a battle yet he produced 10 yellows and a red, I have to say for a game that is based on physical challenges he was too quick to bring the cards out.
Let's see if we get back to allowing playing on and not the stop start we saw yesterday, I didn't think the referee had a great game but he was constantly poor for both teams with his calls, 14 for both sides.

 

I probably sound like a stuck record,and I spend more time than I should thinking about them but it’s still good refs and shit refs
I think the main tweaks to the laws involved time keeping/time wasting,technical areas and the interpretation of clear goal scoring opportunities.
As far as I know not one of the yellow cards from yesterday (apart from Hodges) was for the new interpretations.
Yesterday I thought the first of Oyegoke’s cards was a bit harsh but after seeing it again I’m not so sure.
Unfortunately winning the ball (but with a bit of force) has now become punishable.

This statement is from the EFL website

Our referee clearly ignored this and dished them out like confetti,
Unfortunately that left him without any wiggle room when the second offence occurred.
What pisses most fans off is that later in the game similar fouls go unpunished when the ref realises he’s jumped in too quick earlier in the game.

I looked at a few games from our division and FGR v Salford didn’t have a single booking in the whole 90mins.
So,like I posted yesterday,that game either didn’t have a single offence worthy of a yellow(highly unlikely with the new interpretations and the way FGR implement the dark arts) or it was refereed completely differently to ours.

I know refs are human and like supporters see every decision slightly differently but there’s no way so many games yesterday had double figure cards and others don’t have any,
Yesterday we were punished by some poor refereeing
In other games we’ll benefit from it.

It’s a contact sport and the sooner some refs realise this the better.

 

I agree that it is good they are letting more go. I can't comment on yesterday's game but what I would say is that a high yellow card count can easily occur in a game that doesn't appear to be overly physical. I thought most refs would've booked Oyogoke for the first tackle despite the moaning on here. It seemed a standard yellow. As for other yellows they can be pretty innocuous but warranted if they interrupt a promising attack. I think the ref stuff on here sometimes ends up being akin to the whinging my 6 year old nephew does when he's losing.

 

I never saw a reason to alter the offside law it worked well for 100+ years, didn't they say referees would give the advantage to the attacking side to encourage attacking football, whatever happens to the rule where the goal keeper has to get rid of the ball within a certain allocated time which I've not seen a referee implement in any game for years, the powers that be are ruining a simple game with their rule changes, VAR being an example we were told it would just stop the game for a few seconds to watch the incident again yet those watching the VAR monitors often can't or won't make the call so the ref has to watch it causing the game to stop sometime 2/3 minutes to get a decision,
goalline in technology is fine the referee gets a buzz through his watch but for me the rest of the recent things brought in to help referees has done the opposite.
In cricket the incident is either out or not simple technology to help the umpire.

 

It was so obviously a booking you wouldn't even need to look across at the ref to know the card was coming out.

 

There were quite a few yellows yesterday for stopping counter attacks or promising attacks. With our open our games are likely to be it wouldn't be surprising if our games have more than the average as we stop counter attacks and teams try to stop us. From the top of my head they got 2 in the first half and Walker got 1 for stopping a promising attack then Halliday's was for pulling a player back as they were about to go into the box.

 

I didn't see the game but every incident needs to be judged on its merits. Like you insinuate, I don't think saying the ref was poor because there were a lot of yellow cards is very fair. Surely each incident needs to be judged on its own.

 

The offside law has always changed a bit over time, nobody would want it where if you are in an offside position you are offside. If that was the law then you would have goals ruled out for a player being offside 70 yards away and having no part to play in the goal. Football can't be binary like cricket is as the laws are rightly subjective because they need to be, you can't make fouls binary without making football non-contact. Laws have been changed all of the time but you just didn't notice it.

 

They were yellow cards last season as well without the new interpretations though.

 

Nobody is making claim to your above example with regards off sides, as with the rule with regards the referee now not being classed as being part of the game and if the ball hits him the game is stopped, again for years it wasn't a problem, many including myself have said I don't care if we win the game if the ball comes off the referees arse for the winner, IMO the powers that be are not changing the game tor the better ie a spectacle for the paying audience us the fans.

 

12 yellows ! Double yellow for okekoke and one for hodges. No doubt both teams will now face s charge of failing to control their players.

 

Nobody is arguing otherwise. You remain quiet on the other 13 . Half of them weren’t even fouls never mind yellow cards..


FOR BALANCE
Are you therefore suggesting the FGR v Salford game nobody actually tackled or came into contact with an opponent. No you ain’t, so why not one yellow when we see 14 in a non dirty game in the same division on the same day.
You can’t answer it , I don’t expect you to , there is one common theme here… Referees different interpretation of the new directives .

The EFL will look at both games as a comparison and know there is something clearly wrong, NOTHING to do with the result, I would have said the same if we had won, the thread is about the new directives.
Madeley had it reasonably correct on Friday, yet we in L2 have to put up with this nonsense.

 

Yes maths was never my strongest subject, reading that you would think it was a bloodfeast but it was anything but.

 

Since when is 'coming into contact with an opponent' a yellow card? Maybe there were lots of non description challenges that the ref in that game didn't deem worthy of a yellow.

To me it's perfectly plausible that you could have 11 bookings and for it to not be a 'dirty' game. A large number of bookings come from small niggy challenges that prevent a promising attack. You can easily clock up these type of bookings. Of course the efl will look into it. They have independent assessors at each game. They won't be the slightest bit surprised to see one game without cards and another with 11. To judge whether or not the referee had performed adequately they will look at each incident separately.

From your post it seems you would support a quota system of some sort. Maybe a directive to referees to only give a certain number of cards per game which strikes me as a bit odd.

Just for clarity, which is the new directive that you think was not administered correctly?

 

A matter of interpretation but you, like many others, assess the referee's competence based on your own subjective view about an incident which is why you'll still be on here in 2040 saying referees are shite just like you probably did 20 years ago.

 

Not sure why you’ve quoted my post with regards your reply
I was replying to a quote about yellows been given for stopping promising attacks or counter attacks,Which were the same last season.
You and I have always been very much on the same page regards refs.
I know that 23 refs will referee 23 games completely differently.
The gulf in numbers of cards yesterday just seems a lot bigger than it should be.
I’ve said before that one week we’ll suffer from decisions(right or wrong) and the following week we’ll benefit.