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This is Why You're Getting Sacked, MC

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Sep 1, 2018.

  1. HUDDERSSBANTAM

    HUDDERSSBANTAM Squad Player

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    We'd all be delighted if there were 4 teams worse than us and you know it.

    This has got relegation written all over it.
     
  2. Petrov

    Petrov Squad Player

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    100% agree with you if things stay as they are. But if Collins is sacked sooner rather than later and we get an experienced manager in, there is still plenty of time for things to change. That's all I'm saying Hudders, and whilst there is still that possibility, I'm not going to throw in the towel just yet.
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    For the most part they were decent signings.

    The bigger problem is who we haven’t signed. And the fact that we signed 15 players but at best, only half are first team standard. We’d have been better signing 8 or 9, all of whom were good enough. We needed a better left back, striker and midfielder.

    I’m glad we were so relaxed about the loan period of the window.

    I bet they won’t be as f*cking relaxed over the next 4 months.
     
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  4. Inspector

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    We can’t even get the basics right. He should sort that out first and foremost before trying to implement plans from his “ Guardiola book of formations, for master tacticians only”.
     
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  5. Petrov

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    But he won't. That's why he needs to go asap.
     
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  6. MallorcaBantam

    MallorcaBantam Impact Sub

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    1st sacking has got to be done by Rupp
    And the guy to go before Rupp losses his money is Edin
     
  7. Jonny78

    Jonny78 Fringe Player
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    I think Rahic will make Abbott head coach but still keep the 3 to not admit he is wrong. Making me sick to think it’s a possibility we could go down this season because the twit won’t change it
     
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  8. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
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    Nail. Head.
     
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  9. Ricky

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    Wouldn't surprise me, I know McCann refused a interview.
     
  10. Ricky

    Ricky Squad Player
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    Abbott is part of the problem IMO
     
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  11. Bantamigo

    Bantamigo Fringe Player

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    His interview just summed it up, he really doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing. He’s so out of his depth it’s untrue. And he probably knows that himself but couldn’t exactly turn the job down.

    Stating that the second half wasn’t a game for Payne getting on the ball and passing it? We were playing against 10 men for a whole half. If we can’t dominate possession then we might aswell sack it off now.
    Him saying it’s no good changing systems constantly but then contradicting himself by saying formations aren’t important, whilst changing it every game. Clueless!
     
  12. farsleybantam

    farsleybantam Emergency Backup

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    Abbott is a massive part of this problem. Is he or is he not in charge of who we bring in player wise? The man is as clueless as the other two idiots.
     
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  13. The Outsider

    The Outsider Fringe Player

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    I stopped watching the game and began to view the technical area and upper section of the main stand. In the technical area Collins seemed a little more animated than in previous matches. Like he was "forced" into at least showing some reaction to what clearly wasn't happening on the pitch. He constantly turned around toward Abbott and Drury the latter was up and down off his seat and at one point became far more vocal and animated than Collins. But constantly Abbott is off his seat to join Collins in the technical area. The key moment when you see that Abbott is in charge is the Bruekner substitution when Abbott has sat down. Collins referred to him and then called Bruekner back toward the dugout.

    It was also interesting when Wright was finally hauled off. He's not happy Collins motions towards him ..remember he's hauling off the player he made captain ! That's a really telling decision . Infact you have to hand it to Collins for doing it !? But it was more about Collins than what it said about Wright. What Collins was signalling to the frustrated gathering of "City die hards" was "look I can do this I can sub the Captain" He's an arrogant man is Collins. But once Wright slumps down he starts to shake his head. He looks disinterested in the game from then on and fumbles with a drink bottle. He's looking away from the game a lot and across to the City end. He sits slumped in the corner in his seat. You won't have seen a City Captain taken off mid game ( this was one where 1-2 down I would say we needed his supposed leadership on that field wouldnt you ? ) but when the Captain is taken off you might expect a bit of a bust up and some anger and then some involvement trying to do what he can from the outside ...But not from Wright he kind of accepts it almost like hes glad to be off in a way and not have to face the inevitable fan backlash.

    Anyway go "upstairs" Edins seated on the top row mid section below the glass fronted hospitality suite. He's greeted by various other City corporates as he takes his seat after half time. He's taken the same seat for the first half. As he walks along line one guy at back leans forward and hugs him. He's seen us "get back in the game" with the pen so with Fleetwood down to 10 ..expects (as we did) that with he "extra man" we can start to take the game to the opposition and make that advantage count. But as this "City team" show devoid of any organisation and tactics it's 10 man Fleetwood with the ultra impressive Hunter and battling Evans who are in charge of this game. Edin is clear frustrated and eventually he's left his seat to take refuge on the walk way in front of the glass hospitality suite. He paces up and down; leans against the pillar and gazes down at the increasingly shambolic events on the pitch and in the dug out.

    Eventually the referee calls time on it for all our sakes as Collins frantically tries to call the "shame faced" players with him toward the "cat calling" City fans one or two notably Jordan Gibson and Kai Bruekner heed his call and make their way to front up. Collins is met by a crescendo of "you don't know what you doing" Jordan & Kai at least manfully stand with us and applaud us ! Gotta say these two can't be faulted Jordan in particular having tried his best to make something happen. The other lad Wood who also put one or two useful crosses in when he came on late, also came forward to the fans at the end.

    Meanwhile the rest skulked off ! Abbott had a lame attempt at applauding the fans but was roundly told to f-off by me and many others turns and almost falls over getting himself quickly away. We thank Jordan Gibson and walk away ourselves as I look back up in the stands Edin is still stood looking down. Now on his own he views the "absolute nothingness" of the whole afternoon. It doesn't feel like we've even been at a football match at all really. You have to hope that as he gazes down on the mess that he has made of everything that it begins to dawn on him that action is needed to try to bring some organisation and unity to the Club. For that to happen he's got to shelve his own ego; swallow his pride and accept "his model" will sink us and stand down the "Three Stooges". We need leadership and direction and the Club back progressing not this laughing stock we have become.

    By the way in amongst all that there was a game going on we lost ..again! 1-2.
     
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  14. Tolly856

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    I was one of those who praised our summer signings but it was done, perhaps naively, with the assumption that we'll fill in the glaringly obvious holes in the squad and would have a bench better than non league standard. We failed to do both and as such our summer recruitment, despite some decent individual signings, was very poor.
     
  15. Faithful Bantam

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    It’s easy from the sides, but I don’t think our strategy should be that complicated. We don’t have a huge budget and we want to develop youth.

    We should have a core of 16-20 players who’re good enough and experienced enough to be considered first team quality. We should then have 5-6 young lads on the fringes who get games either through injury problems or from the bench when we’re in a winning position and when their isn’t pressure or expectation to rescue us. Roughly half of the 16-20/core should be made up of players between approx 23-27 years of age, so there’s room for development and improvement. The rest should be older but you wouldn’t want more than a couple over say 32, or you hit issues of having to rebuild your squad in one go.

    Over the summer, we should’ve sat down and said, with what we have, the young fringe element should be:

    Gibson
    Robinson
    Riley
    Patrick
    Devine
    Colville
    GSK

    We shouldn’t be bringing any loans in, into that category.

    With the first team, the following are in the ‘core’

    O Donnell

    Mellor
    O Connor
    McGowan

    Akpan
    Reeves
    Wright
    Payne
    Scannell

    Doyle
    Jones

    The following aren’t good enough:

    Chicksen
    NKP
    Bruenker

    Bin off the development idea entirely.

    So by my reckoning, we’re about 5-9 first team players short. A couple of defenders, a midfielder and a couple of strikers. At least. Or put another way, replace the young loans we’ve brought in with proper players and add 2-5 more of quality, based on budget, we’d be fine.

    I’ve knocked that up in 10 mins.

    I’m glad they were so relaxed. You can’t be 5-9 players short and be anything other than completely f*cked.
     
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  16. vladimir

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    Top post.
     
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  17. Onside

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    I know is as if we stopped half way through, and decided we had spent enough and it was back to the youth project. Like you I thought these are good signings, but they still need to be organised and led which isn’t happening.
     
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  18. Morley Bantam

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    Spot on. Yes there were some encouraging individual signings on paper, but no thoughts whatsoever as to how these players were going to come together and form a competitive team. I think most on this forum could see before a ball was kicked that goals would be a problem, so that usually means struggle regardless of anything else. Throw into the mix an incompetent coaching set up, meddling owner and all the other stuff going on, we look relegation certs even this early in the season.

    Yes there is plenty of time to make some positive changes but sadly I fear that the rot has set in and things will get a lot worse before they get better, as I have no confidence that Rahic will change anything anytime soon.
     
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  19. broadsword

    broadsword One of the 64
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    *****Top Post*****
    Thanks for your insight.
     
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  20. Craven Cottager

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    If that's all he gets then peanuts and monkeys spring to mind.
     

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