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Stuart McCall's managerial legacy

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Aaron Baker, Dec 13, 2020.

  1. Aaron Baker

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    McCall has gone for the third and hopefully final time. So with 6 seasons under his belt it's probably a decent time to look at what he's achieved.

    Overall record - 258 games, 97 wins (37.6%), 66 draws (25.5%), 95 losses (36.8%)
    • Promotions - zero
    • Play off appearances - one
    • Significant cup wins - zero
    League positions
    • League Two - 10th, 9th, 16th (resigned) , 22nd (parted company) - average 14th
    • League One - 5th, 6th (sacked) - average 5.5
    Significant transfers - Charlie Wyke - signed for £250k, sold for £400k

    Overall it feels like 6 wasted years to me with very few highlights. The Play Off appearance is the standout achievement but even on that day it was a damp squib. The football played that season was undoubtedly some one the prettiest I have seen in the last 20 years as well.

    Other than that I feel very little to be positive about. The results speak for themselves but I don't feel like we made any progress off the field or in terms of our identity either.

    There's been a number of mitigating factors put forward from boardroom interference (both Lawn and Rahic) to the input of the assistant managers. More commonly excuses were made for him whether that was the starting point of the squad numbers - both too few and too many as a starting point - or that he was more suited to dealing with Champions League egos ( :joy: ) or the situation within the club was not complex enough to assist him.

    The abiding memory of at least 4 of his 6 season will be slack, ill disciplined, mentally and physically weak teams. with little positive leadership. A lack of coherent plan apart from throwing more and more bodies forward and ten being confused when teams hit us on the break. In addition to that a manager who was flustered and contradictory under pressure.

    Some might view this as overly negative but I don't see what I'm missing. When we look back at McCall the Bradford City manager is there anything I'm missing that isn't just excuses for his mediocre to poor performance?
     
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  2. king karl

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    His middle stint was more than acceptable

    Was it nearly 2 years undefeated at home and decent attacking football
    Should never have been sacked that year
     
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  3. bantamlad92

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    An unbeaten season at home was a solid achievement in League One. Won’t be many/any who could have achieved that.

    Credit must be given for his play off final season, we were 34 mins plus penalties away from promotion to the Championship, something we haven’t achieved since 1996. He bettered Parkinson’s effort the season before.

    His League 2 efforts have been woeful though. Bizarre really, compared to how well he did in L1.
     
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  4. Aaron Baker

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    I think I did give credit for that one season although I can't give him credit for losing the biggest game of the season.

    Youre definitely right to mention the unbeaten season at home. Definitely a creditworthy achievement even if it didn't produce an end result.
     
  5. Aaron Baker

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    I don't think it was 2 years, I think it was just one season wasn't it? But yes, that one year was good if eventually unproductive.

    As for the point that he shouldn't have been sacked......I thought it was harsh at the time but looking back at it these were his final results.

    Wimbledon 2 - 1 Bradford - LOSS (21st)
    Bradford 1 - 3 Peterborough - LOSS (6th)
    Bradford 3 - 2 Oxford - WIN (12th)
    Fleetwood 1 - 2 Bradford - WIN (12th)
    Yeovil 2 - 0 Bradford (FA cup) - LOSE (bottom - league 2)
    Bradford 1 - 2 Northampton - LOSE (21st)
    Bristol R 3 - 1 Bradford - LOSE (17th)
    Rotherham 2 - 0 Bradford - LOSE (7th)
    Bradford 0 - 4 Wimbledon - LOSE (20th)
    Oldham 2 - 1 Bradford - LOSE (22nd)


    Not many managers can get through a run of 8 losses in 10 games when you're supposedly chasing promotion. Especially when 5 of those teams are fighting relegation and another one is towards the bottom of the league below!

    it was silly of him to agree that he needed to get 7 points from his final 3 gamss (or whatever it was) but if that run of form was put together by any manager not called McCall I doubt there would be complaints in the same situation.
     
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  6. Onside87

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    Pointless thread which proves our inability to move on.
    How many McCall threads are needed. I’m not sure Jose Mourinho would be talked about as much at Chelsea and he won them 3 tittles. We need to get over it and quickly.
     
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  7. Aaron Baker

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    Imagine talking about a manager who was sacked today.

    I bet most other clubs would just ignore that news. :*@
     
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    He’s obviously put his heart into it for a club we all care about and tried his best. Not many of us would walk either as we care so deeply for BCFC.

    To carry on slagging him after his sacking is uncalled for. Let’s move on
     
  9. Onside87

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    Could it not have gone in the McCall gone thread. He hasn’t been a player here for 20 years. Many of our younger fans won’t have a clue or care about the player McCall.
    He’s been a terrible manager. Should never have got the job. Do we really care about his win percentage? Let’s look forward, stop talking about Parkinson, banging on about the league cup run and McCall the player and look forward to trying to get of this hole we’re in.
     
  10. Aaron Baker

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    It could. But i didn't want it to, it was to do with his overall performance here rather than him being sacked.

    I never mentioned him as a player and more than happy to also look forward.
     
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    The play offs was NOT his team, it was Parkinsons team - the crap we've had in the last couple of seasons is McCalls team and shows how out of his depth he is. Its like he was playing Football Manager, couldnt be arsed with the team so went on holiday and let the players who do whatever they wanted to.
     
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    Hmmm...Has a recently-banned poster, named after a former player, reappeared?

    I know this idea about the playoff side being Parkinson's team has been addressed here before, but I can't find the post I'm thinking of. That idea is simply not true. That side was a nice combination of Parkinsonian carry-overs complemented by players brought in under McCall, either by him alone or with the input of others. A few "homegrown" players also made it into league matches. Simplifying things and just considering under which manager a (non-homegrown) player came to the club:

    Those who made 15+ league appearances:

    McCall: Law, Knight-Percival, Doyle, Dieng, Vincelot, Jones, Wyke, Hiwula, McNulty, and James Hanson
    Parkinson: Billy Clarke, Cullen, Darby, Marshall, McArdle, McMahon, Meredith, Morais

    Cullen I suppose could go into both lists.

    Those with under 15 appearances:

    McCall: Kilgallon, Sattelmaier, Rabiega, Pybus, Vukcic, Gilliead, Penney, Toner
    Parkinson: Anderson
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    As for the "last couple of seasons", McCall was in post for less than a year, and season, and had exactly one transfer window to work with. And despite previous comments, it seems clear that he knows as well as any of us that the recruitment was not adequate. It also seems reasonable to suggest that there were outside factors influencing that recruitment, and not in a good way. It does seems that he did not have as free a hand as he would have wished.

    RCB
     
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  13. Ashton Bantam

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    Agreed, unfortunately he just isn't a very good manager. He never has been nor will he ever be suited to managing in the fourth tier. It's so odd that his teams are mentally and physically lacking when you compare to how he was as a player. You'd think that'd be one of their main characteristics.

    It's over, he's had more than a fair shot with us and as you said, overall it's held the club back.

    Goodbye Stuart, thanks for the efforts and good luck in the future.
     
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    He only bettered Parkinson’s effort from the year before because McCall had Fleetwood in the semi and not Millwall as Parkinson had. Had we played Millwall in the semi of 2017 McCall would have suffered the same Fate as Parkinson’s team
     
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    Just hope Width of a post don’t campaign to bring him back when the next guy gets sacked.
     
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    Lots of ex players go and manage their old clubs with and without success. He was one of our best players so thanks for the memories Stuart . We need to move forward ands survive this nightmare of a season. We cant keep going backwards.
     
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    He's gone. Can we stop trying to trash his record, let sleeping dogs lie and let his legend rebuild itself with time in the same way that Ryan McGowan became Bobby Moore because he didn't play.

    Let's just move on and hope that the new bod can build himself a new epoch.
     
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  18. Aaron Baker

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    By "trash his record" do you really mean "talk about his record"? I don't think there's anything unfair in the synopsis?

    I'm happy to move on over time but I really didn't think it was that weird to look back on what a manager has or hasn't achieved in the days following their departure.
     
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    No, I mean trash, as in pull out all the bad points and elaborate on them. Let's just leave him alone now to rebuild his standing at BCFC,
     
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  20. Aaron Baker

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    Thought it was quite balanced myself. Nothing negative about a 37% win rate, a play off appearance or making a decent profit off Charlie Wyke.

    If I've missed any positives people can be free to fill them in.
     

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