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  1. Dennis

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    I don't know what to make of what Sparks has to say on how much our playing budget is. At £2.8m, it doesn't appear to be a top 7 budget when he acknowledges that there are clubs (he uses it in the plural) with budgets of £4mill and even if that is 2 or 3 clubs, that's a huge relative drop to our budget.

    He has also stated on several occasions how well the commercial team are doing with bringing more income into the club. He said only recently that our turnover will be circa £8.3mill this year. That means that under SCMP, our playing budget could be £4.5mill if we chose so. It appears somebody has made an enormous decision to spend less than two-thirds of what we were entitled to under SCMP on our playing budget. That's surprising to me given our supposed desire to get out of this division. Our USP in this division isn't that we have a sugar daddy nor the most successful manager. It's that we have the largest crowds in the division and should therefore be able to leverage more income from ticket sales, merchandising, advertising, sponsorship, etc than most other clubs. It doesn't appear that we are taking full advantage of our USP, our great crowds and using that to have a bigger playing budget. It's puzzling.
     
  2. NorthernMonkey

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    That's a very worrying post Dennis although it does back up my belief that far from propping us up Stefan Rupp is slowly, mostly by neglect, strangling the life of of the club.

    #Ruppout
     
  3. Ashton Bantam

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    Wholly agree.

    Everyone seems to have got down on their knees and be praying at the altar of Notts County and Wrexham because they're so strong we couldn't possibly hope to compete. Despite between them spending a combined 20 previous seasons in the National League.

    As others have said. Sparks has confirmed our turnover to be £8m+. We can have a playing budget of up to £4.5m so we're spending way below what we're allowed to. Similar to the COVID season where Sparks held back prior to new spending rules being put in place (which never materialised) whilst the likes of Bolton smashed their signings (and look at them now).

    Accepted we may have higher overheads meaning we can't reach the 4.5m budget and it may also not be prudent to spend to that level, but someone somewhere is making a proactive decision to spend far less than were allowed to. It doesn't tie up with a desire to get out of this league and it very much holds us back.
     
  4. Dennis

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    Last year we made a loss which according to the club was because it had to pay off Adams' contract and we overspent the playing budget! Since then we've earned an extra £1m in commercial income. I would have expected most of that to have been directed to the playing side of the business given that it's the fundamental reason why the club exists. That doesn't appear to be the case.

    The cynic in me is starting to think that last season's overspend on the playing budget is being recouped this season as part of the club's sustainability mantra.
     
  5. Ashton Bantam

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    Matching Plymouth and Rotherham (and other bottom end teams) with £6m budgets in the Championship would be more than doable for City.

    TV money at that level alone was £6m per club a few years back.

    We just really, really, need to get out of this league first.
     
  6. NorthernMonkey

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    Screenshot_20231028_112314_Samsung Internet.jpg
     
  7. Kevin1954

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    In other words success is rewarded, and parachute payments also means failure is rewarded. It’s not beyond the wit of any lawyer to write into contract clauses, “ you are here on Prem wages until you get relegated”, “ You get relegated your salary drops to CC levels” . In a lot of instances the payment of the parachute, just aids the perpetual yo yoing of clubs. My local side Norwich is probably funded by it.

    It creates a massive imbalance when in reality it could be resolved overnight .

    ImHO of course.
     
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  8. Jordan

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    I'd say the budgets thing is the better talking point of the article. So Sparks says that our budget this season is about £2.7-2.8 million and the EFL report says that a club has a £4 million playing budget without naming but everyone knows which club that will be.

    For comparison, last season Rotherham & Blackpool had budgets of just under £6m for the Championship. It has been reported (but won't be confirmed until the books come out towards the end of the season) that Plymouth have a £6m budget in the champ this season. I think £4m would end up being a competitive budget in L1.
     
  9. trevor

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    It looks like we spend far more on non playing costs than the Players which is not a recipe for success. Everything we do should be with the intent of providing the manager with the highest budget we can,
     
  10. Dennis

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    Two points. Firstly, the numbers I quoted are from Ryan himself. Only he will know whether what he said is true or not but I've taken them at face value. I'd hope that the CEO wouldn't get his own numbers wrong.

    Secondly, SCMP relates to a particular season in isolation. Unspent amounts in say the current season cannot be transferred to be included in the following season's budget. The following season's playing budget remains constrained by that season's turnover.
     
  11. BantamJ

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    The cynic in me is starting to think that last season's overspend on the playing budget is being recouped this season as part of the club's sustainability mantra.[/QUOTE]
    I’ve been screaming about this all summer.., record profits and yet signings were all underwhelming. Nothing made sense with the summer. I was called negative for saying I think the budget had been cut and it has its clear. How can people still support Rupp and Sparks I just don’t get how they have any supporters out there!!!
     
  12. simons (woking bantam)

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    If Sparks is going to speak I would really like to hear his views on not accepting mediocrity, quality over quantity and with these points in mind who the hell sanctioned our summer recruitment policy?!
    As CEO Ryan, is this too much to ask from the supporters who are the lifeblood of the club!
    If we had an owner who was remotely interested in football then he would be demanding these answers - but we all know the issue here
    What a shambles we are on the playing front, irrespective of whether we can muster a comeback against the mighty Sutton
     
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    Definitely think the gap between L2 and L1 would be bridgeable for us. The problems would definitely come in the money pit of a Championship, mixing with players on 40k a week, funded by parachute payments from PL
     
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  15. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    The figures are just wrong or we're keeping a warchest for next season when Stockport & Wrexham have been promoted.
    There's no way our turnover should be £8m and our playing budget £2.8m.
    Most clubs are delighted with 55% on playing budget. This equates to only 35%.
     
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  16. trevor

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    @Dennis@Dennis rarely gets his figures wrong
     
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  17. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    That would mean £5.2m was being spent on other things outside of the playing squad?
     
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  18. Onside

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    Once again @Dennis@Dennis spot. I read that and thought the same. We should be having every penny we can to enhance our playing budget. For instance we could have a 1st class striker and midfielder? I thought I must have done my maths wrong and or the behind playing field budget is very high and or someone is taking profits.
     
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  19. Faithful Bantam

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    Spot on. We fundamentally lack ambition and strategic leadership on all things football. And I'm convinced Rupp is taking out some form of dividend.
     
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  20. NorthernMonkey

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    Is that a cryptic clue for 16 across?

    Starts with R, 4 letters.
     
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