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  1. 1975citygent

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    Let's vote them out next time up then and see if Labour can do the job.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    Reminds me the well worn phrase 'stick a penny on income tax for the NHS'. Worst thing you could do, by the time it gets to the front line of the NHS there'll be literally nothing left. Its a massive money pit that hemorhages cash at an alarmimg rate.
     
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    The NHS needs roots up reform but there isn't a party with the balls to do it. I would be prepared to pay more but only if you could show me the the fraudulent mismanagement of public funds would cease. If you could show me that the money would go directly to giving low paid staff a wage rise or get rid instances like rip off car parks at hospitals.
     
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  4. Storck

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    they are trying to match Labour cutting 25k in their last 6 years in power
     
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  5. Bantam Begins

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    And no one mentions the elephant in the room which is this country is completely and utterly over populated, but not just that there’s a huge amount of people that have no care or desire to put into the system or respect it.
     
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  6. Aaron Baker

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    I'm actually a little bit embarrassed about how little I knew about the differences between Income Tax and NI. It seems needlessly complicated but i doubt anybody is ever going to tear it up and simplify it.
     
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  7. Bronco

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    I think you will find a 1% rise for the NHS is far bigger that a 2.5% rise in pensions, I never expected a 8% rise because of an anomaly no one foresaw.
    I'm not sure there is any other way around this situation with regards what we have borrowed during the pan demic and what still might need to be borrowed going forward.
     
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  8. trevor

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    Also just to mention that do not forget that under Tory Cameron he cut the money to Social care by £8Billion a year under his austerity plan that has caused this shortage and also misery to millions and is one of the main reasons people have to sell their houses to pay for care
     
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  9. Bronco

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    I'm sure Keir Starmer will have all the answers, I didn't catch his response to the news with regards NI contributions rising, and the triple lock being reneged on when it was in the Tory manifesto.
    I wonder what the reaction would be from the UK population if the government legislated (of that's possible) that a % of lottery money was spent on the NHS as we all benefit from it during one time our lives, if not your very lucky, I don't do the lottery but would certainly contribute if part went to the NHS.
     
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  10. Bronco

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    As you say sneaky, maybe I'll have to join the means testing.
     
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  11. Aaron Baker

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    Doubt it would make a blind bit of difference.

    If you took all the money that went to good causes from the lottery and put it into the NHS it would barely increase the budget by 1%.
     
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  12. Tony Wilkinson

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    Oh, that's a bit severe Dave, it will be quite a sum but not in the great scheme of things but I see where you're coming from..
     
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    Foreign aid would be an easier pot to plunder...
     
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  14. trevor

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    Only around 50% of social care money is spent on people of pensionable age but also from 2023 pensioners will be liable for the same social levy as working people, Usually governments give with one hand and take with the other but this lot take with both hands,
     
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  15. Bronco

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    I hope your not fishing for a bite.
     
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  16. Bronco

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    But I was not suggesting that mate, doing the lottery is a choice down to the individual, but as @Aaron Baker@Aaron Baker says it would make little difference, but that will always be the case demand outstrips availability.
     
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  17. Dennis

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    Somebody may well have misunderstood what was really said!

    The important aspect is that NI will in the near future be paid by those over 66 who are still working post the state retirement age.
     
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  18. Park bantam

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    It is being levied on dividends.
     
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  19. Aaron Baker

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    There's always going to be people who pay more with any tax rise. The landlord thing is a good point in this occasion but there is never going to be a tax rise which encompasses all the 'right' people, the tax system is too complex for that.

    As for he alternatives.
    • Aren't we still paying at least some that money to the EU as part of the divorce bill? Isn't it something like 2025 before that drops down? Even ignoring the fact that some of the savings will have been eaten up by furlough, testing, NHS capacity, etc, already.
    • Fully agree but scrapping infrastructure programmes doesn't save the full amount (it generates tax from the activities as well as being paid by central funds) but I completely agree it should be scrapped in it's current format..
     
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  20. Offcomedun

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    NI contributions (paid during paid employment) are what are used to calculate your state retirement pension entitlement. They also used to be used to calculate your entitlement to Unemployment Benefit, but I don't know if that's still the case.
    You stop paying NI contributions when you retire from paid work because you are no longer contributing towards your pension. But you still pay income tax if your income is above the tax threshold.
    For example, I am 65 and receive an occupational pension from West Yorkshire Pension Fund. As that is above the threshold I pay income tax, but don't pay NI contributions because I'm no longer contributing towards my state pension, which I'll start receiving when I'm 66. My income tax will go up up then because my income above the threshold will increase.
    I assume it's the link between NI contributions and state pension/unemployment benefit entitlement that is the reason that NI Contributions are kept separate from other taxation and would be difficult to abolish.
     
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