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Social Care, NHS, National Insurance

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Sep 6, 2021.

  1. Bronco

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    I think you will find a 1% rise for the NHS is far bigger that a 2.5% rise in pensions, I never expected a 8% rise because of an anomaly no one foresaw.
    I'm not sure there is any other way around this situation with regards what we have borrowed during the pan demic and what still might need to be borrowed going forward.
     
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    Nurses are been offered 3% on an average salary of around £33,000 a year, while workers on the average wage are rising 8.8% which is taking the average wage to around £31,000, Pensioners will now get 2.5% to take the pension to between £7000 and £9,250, It seems the government only believe in the triple lock to ensure the value of the pension remains when it suits them, We already have the lowest pensions in the modern world by all accounts and of course with these tax increases we will be taxed higher than any time in our history
     
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  3. Bronco

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    And the old age pension situation has been the same under all governments,.
    What would be interesting to see is what the % of our population we have lost who are over pensionable age due to Covid that the government don't now have to finance, that has to be in multi millions.
     
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    Also just to mention that do not forget that under Tory Cameron he cut the money to Social care by £8Billion a year under his austerity plan that has caused this shortage and also misery to millions and is one of the main reasons people have to sell their houses to pay for care
     
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  5. Bronco

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    I'm sure Keir Starmer will have all the answers, I didn't catch his response to the news with regards NI contributions rising, and the triple lock being reneged on when it was in the Tory manifesto.
    I wonder what the reaction would be from the UK population if the government legislated (of that's possible) that a % of lottery money was spent on the NHS as we all benefit from it during one time our lives, if not your very lucky, I don't do the lottery but would certainly contribute if part went to the NHS.
     
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    Interesting ( but sneaky) the government are raising NI by adding a social care levy of 1,25%, By calling it a levy they can and will require pensioners to pay it from 2023,
     
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    Let's vote them out next time up then and see if Labour can do the job.
     
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  8. Bronco

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    As you say sneaky, maybe I'll have to join the means testing.
     
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    Doubt it would make a blind bit of difference.

    If you took all the money that went to good causes from the lottery and put it into the NHS it would barely increase the budget by 1%.
     
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    It does seem ridiculous that those who are working bear the brunt of this tax increase to fund social care. Yet retired people (like me) who will benefit most don't pay NI Contributions.
    It would be much better to raise general Income Tax, which is paid by retired people with sufficient income to take them over the threshold, rather than lump it all onto younger working people.
     
  11. Tony Wilkinson

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    Oh, that's a bit severe Dave, it will be quite a sum but not in the great scheme of things but I see where you're coming from..
     
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    Foreign aid would be an easier pot to plunder...
     
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    Oh yeah lets lol...
     
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    Only around 50% of social care money is spent on people of pensionable age but also from 2023 pensioners will be liable for the same social levy as working people, Usually governments give with one hand and take with the other but this lot take with both hands,
     
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    Reminds me the well worn phrase 'stick a penny on income tax for the NHS'. Worst thing you could do, by the time it gets to the front line of the NHS there'll be literally nothing left. Its a massive money pit that hemorhages cash at an alarmimg rate.
     
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    I hope your not fishing for a bite.
     
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    But I was not suggesting that mate, doing the lottery is a choice down to the individual, but as @Aaron Baker@Aaron Baker says it would make little difference, but that will always be the case demand outstrips availability.
     
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    The NHS needs roots up reform but there isn't a party with the balls to do it. I would be prepared to pay more but only if you could show me the the fraudulent mismanagement of public funds would cease. If you could show me that the money would go directly to giving low paid staff a wage rise or get rid instances like rip off car parks at hospitals.
     
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    Have you got a link to that info about pensioners being levied Trevor?
     
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    Who are these people getting 8.8% pay rise over past 12 months? I don’t know anyone that has had anything close to that, unless they are including one off bonuses for workers working through COVID lock downs but that isn’t a pay rise as it was a one off
     

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