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Sack the manager

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Aug 24, 2019.

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Is it time for Bowyer to go....

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. dont know

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  1. Smartmart

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    Mike Ashley has billions yet he doesn’t plough money in. Clubs need to be self sufficient or you end up in the shit. Like bury. There’s no simple answer. You seem to think there is. Rupp put x hundred thousand / million in. Then when that doesn’t work put another x million in. Same as all around the country. To be honest it’s a dumb argument. But then you are never relevant. The Adrian Durham of bantam talk. Zzzzz
     
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  2. trevor

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    We should have put a youth forward on the bench that is what they are for and would have given a boost to the player and the squad giving the message that the door is open if you work hard enough,
     
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  3. Keefly Bantam

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    I think the point being made is that we had no available striker who was likely to actually come on and affect the game.
    I was a critic of Donaldinho but seeing how we are without him in the team I am happy to admit I was wrong. He adds more to the team than I acknowledged.
     
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  4. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    What on earth are you talking about?

    As for Newcastle it's a club that's failing.

    Mike Ashley does have a lot of money but it's no good to Newcastle if he's not spending it on them.

    What it of that don't you understand?

    Newcastle fans want Ashley out and rightly so .

    Mr Rupp is doing nothing for this club at this moment. Nothing that Edin or Ashley or you couldn't do!
     
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  5. trevor

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    Premiership clubs are different, When your club gets between £100million and £150million a season from the TV money you expect the club to use it for the club and team and not to pocket it,
     
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  6. Fordy117

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    100%

    I've talked about how the club is sending out the wrong message and this is one of these points to why.
     
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  7. Smartmart

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    Zzz
     
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  8. Smartmart

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    Like there’s a queue of entrepreneurs wanting to chuck millions at city. Have you had a lobotomy? Champions league winners in 2025?
    The type of comments you make are what drives clubs over the financial edge. There’s nothing up with pushing for promotion and demanding standards but youre away with the fairies and all that means is everything isn’t good enough which is laughable. You’ve no credibility.
     
  9. Bronco

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    Where does he say "Champions League winners in 2025" ?.

    Ah now I see it was edited :
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  10. Fordy117

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    Damn you're boring!!

    How about our owner investing in the club instead of acting like a loser and a failure at Bradford City!
     
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    Zzzz
     
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    Not been on for a while due to various commitments - but doesnt look like much has changed as to who's glass is still hovering around half full and who's is emptying fast! ;) All I will say is the Jan transfer window is going to be massive for our realistic prospects this season, my own view is we are hanging around the play off area not due to our own form but more to the overall abject level we are playing at. Our playing style has largely not really developed as hoped and we seem to lurch from game to game without really knowing what we are going to get from the team - the only consistency being excitement is a fairly limited commodity. The bench in recent matches has been way short of what is necessary, even at this level, and our lack of striking options is pretty scary. We are heavily imbalanced in midfield, just imagine fitting Palmer, Devitt and Reeves back in alongside the other 50 odd players we have in this role - so Bowyer has his work cut out in getting us more balanced as a squad and more consistently effective on the pitch.
    We really could do with ALL the players turning up at Macc this week and lifting the spirits whilst reaffiriming our position at the top end before the busy December and New Year fixtures
     
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  13. Fordy117

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    Only thing that's Zzzz is you.

    You just don't get it!

    Mr Rupp might as well be Edin but with money. Failure here!
     
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  14. Keefly Bantam

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    Hasn't Rupp topped up the wage bill after ST sales had been collected?

    And before you bleat on about where it came from does it matter whether it came from account A -Rupp or account B McBurnie money?

    Either way its Rupp's money.

    There seems to be more staff at the club as well. Who pays their wages do you think?

    Who paid for the pitch to be renovated?

    Who will pay for any transfers in to the club in January?

    So please tell me why you still think Rupp isn't putting money into the club?
     
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    I’m done reading your tripe. Zzz
     
  16. Dennis

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    Whether or not anybody other than Fordy agrees with his vews on Rupp, it does matter how the club's money is sourced.

    Firstly, the money from the McBurnie deal belongs to the club and not to Rupp. There is a legal distinction between the club as a limited company and its owner. Even though Rupp owns 100% of the club through his other companies, he has no right to take money out of the club other than in accordance with UK company law. He can't just say I'll have the McBurnie fee 'cos the club belongs to me. That applies equally to last season's money received by the club from the Wells and Wisdom sell-ons.

    Secondly, if Rupp wanted to take money out of the club, say by way of a management fee, it would still be subject to UK and German income tax laws. Alternatively at this stage, he can't take money out of the club by way of a dividend because the accumulated losses at the club from when he bought it would preclude that. In any event, that divi would also be subject to UK tax law. It therefore doesn't make sense (even if it were possible) to take money out of one pot at the club only to put taxed money back into via another pot.

    Thirdly, Rupp has in the past 'pledged' (that's JR's expression) to cover the losses/deficit/shortfall (choose your own term!). But as yet and despite what many might want to believe, there is no hard evidence at Companies House to suggest that Rupp or any of his companies has put anything significant of of his own money into the club.

    Personally I don't agree with Fordy's view that Rupp should put money into the club just because he owns it. He has no responsibilitry to do that. He has no affinity with the area; he's not a long term fan as certain owners at other clubs are and he doesn't appear to have much interest in football. If he ever puts his own money into the club, I suspect he'd do it from a business perspective in that it would either safeguard his own position as owner or it would, say by gaining promotion, make his club more attractive to another buyer. But at the moment that doesn't appear to be his approach and he prefers the same ML&JR strategy of having a self-funding club augmented by the occasional cup run, sale of a player or some other unexpected windfall.

    I wish it were different!
     
  17. Fordy117

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    Good post.

    And my point all along is he offers no different to Lawn and Rhodes or anyone really.

    He has no long term strategy for the club it seems.

    The club is in danager because like you I see no evidence that he has or will cover any debt this club has.

    Rhodes sold to him because he would take the club FORWARD but we have gone BACKWARDS!

    Some just seem happy because he's not Edin. Edin failed but so has Mr Rupp at the club so far.

    Want better Bradford City fans!
     
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    Maybe I should have expressed my view a little better. I am a director of a company so agree with your points.

    My point is that , your point 3, SR used available funds held by the club to meet any spending requirements rather than leaving more than is needed in the account or , as has been reported before, do an ER and take out.

    As we have no playing assets or cup monies then surely SR has to dip into his pocket or existing bank balance and IMHO would be wise to push for promotion this year through a strong January transfer budget as this league does not hold 3 stronger teams than us when fully fit. That would make his company more attractive to sell as a league 1 club rather than a league 2 one.
     
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    I'm sure Rupp has recycled whatever has been available to fund the playing budget and tidy up parts of the club's infrastructure. But that hasn't involved him digging deep into his own pockets.

    I agree that I would like to see him dip into his own pocket in order to progress the club and yes, this season would be a great opportunity. I don't believe it would cost much in the greater scheme of things especially once our current crop of injuries are back in contention. But that's caveated on hanging onto Cooke et al rather than them returning to their parent clubs. We are close to being in contention for an auto spot and it's patently obvious to everybody that a club in Div 1 would be more attractive to a buyer than a club in Div 2! And that's looking at it from a business perspective and not some misty eyed fan's perspective. :)
     
  20. Fordy117

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    You say this but Drury is still here mainly because he's contracted
    Doyle left on loan so we could fund other players.

    So we run like Rhodes and Lawn ran us but isn't of making sure Bowyer has all the elements to move this club back to div 1 we didn't.

    If Mr Rupp wants to sell then just come out and say so because like @Dennis@Dennis says all this covering costs he was meant to do isn't happening. The club just isn't moving forward.

    What happens if we don't go up? As a director you should understand the concern.
     
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