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  1. Kevin1954

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    That’s completely missing the point. Reserve games were an avenue for bringing on youngster’s, young professionals and rehabilitation for senior professionals. How handy would that principle be in 2022?
     
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    Not sure how long ago it stopped. I remember your season ticket giving you free admission.
     
    #2 Idlebantam, Nov 15, 2022
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    In the 70s the reserves would play at Apperley bridge on a Saturday morning. I often used to go watch a young Peter Jackson, Barry Gallagher and a certain Bobby Campbell in late 1979 who was on trial for us after being sacked by Huddersfield. I think it was the Lancashire league that the reserves played in at that time.
     
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  4. Tennesseebantam

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    but did you get loyalty points for going?

    (sorry, couldn’t resist it).
     
    #8 Tennesseebantam, Nov 15, 2022
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    We have financed the club heavily over the years from young players sold
     
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    #18 Park bantam, Nov 16, 2022
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    How about just 6 months ago. Sahil Bashir who has gone to Brighton and Subject to add ons could meet the club up to £250,000.

    There's plenty more too, you are obviously just unaware of them.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/20177524.amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiFybCY_bL7AhWUbcAKHbvLBWQQFnoECBAQBQ&usg=AOvVaw11Rg-6cB4jbI-T3rtLHA2D
     
    #27 NorthernMonkey, Nov 16, 2022
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  7. WilsdenBantam

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    The two players Monkey and myself mentioned have covered that and more.
     
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    #35 WilsdenBantam, Nov 16, 2022
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  8. NorthernMonkey

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    I've just named one that was under 16 after you first asked this question that you've conveniently ignored.

    You're wrong and when you're in a hole it's probably better to stop digging.
     
    #39 NorthernMonkey, Nov 16, 2022
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    Do we think that City would be investing in youth development if it made a loss?

    I don't think so.
     
    #44 Allotment Bantam, Nov 16, 2022
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  10. Interested Bystander

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    It's in the accounts Youth Income £506,087
     
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    #50 Interested Bystander, Nov 17, 2022
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  11. SimonW

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    I've mentioned before on here, the FA's changes to the youth setup with the aim of helping bring young English players through has destroyed the youth leagues.

    Before as you said the reserve leagues were great, you would have the regular youth players who would be involved every week, a couple of academy players would get promoted up for a game for experience and you would get some senior players who either needed game time or were coming back from an injury. It was these senior players who were key, playing against people in your age group with the same experience levels doesn't really help players improve. That's because experienced players have learnt how to make the most of what they have, stick the smallest, weakest experienced player up against a youngster who is naturally well built physically (say someone who looks like an 18 year old Paul Pogba) and the experienced player will just bully the youngster because the younster has spent most of their time playing football with people in their age group being defeated before it started and bottling out of challenges, if you have physicality you need to learn to use it and if you don;y you need exposed to people who also don't but have learnt to use it. And there are other areas similar where its only by playing with experienced players that young players really learn, turning reserve leagues into u23 leagues has made them unfit for purpose, it offers nothing that the u18's does which is why teams send so many players out on loan and why some clubs have stopped playing in reserve/u23 leagues. Its better for them to just have a reserve team that's not entered into anything and not do full player development, they pick up players dropped by clubs that have academies and then have them play for either their B team which many clubs that do this have in the lower tiers or they have a reserve team and arrange private friendlies behind closed doors. You save on league entry fees, you save from having to meet certain requirements if you did have formal u18/23 teams, if you are outside the prem you can make a decent amount from prem teams who are looking for behind closed door opponents and you still get the benefit of younger players coming good for your club or who can be sold off and make a profit.

    We should have formal leagues for young players to play in but unless we have full on review based on facts and not faint hopes that the change will see more youngsters getting into first teams its pointless
     
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    #55 SimonW, Nov 17, 2022
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  12. Interested Bystander

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    Correct as far a I can tell.
     
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    #56 Interested Bystander, Nov 17, 2022
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  13. Kevin1954

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    Dont forget we had the Northern Intermediate League as well . Being “ local” we used to see them all. First time I ever saw Stuart Mc was as a young kid in the NIL.
     
    #4 Kevin1954, Nov 15, 2022
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  14. Loyalbantam

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    I guess you have to balance the usefulness of a reserve league vs the cost of running it.
    I doubt the reserve games were that competitive so maybe arranging a weekly behind closed doors friendly with another club is a viable alternative.
     
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  15. Kevin1954

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    They were very very competitive. I’d say from about 1964 through to cessation of moving from Manningham in 1970 we rarely missed a home NiL or reserve fixture. Don’t forget the old VP was like a piece of Swiss cheese to us locals. There is nothing more uncompetitive as your idea , especially as you suggest play against the same club every week. Useless tbh.
    At least the old system had competitive leagues and from memory, Cup competitions.
     
    #11 Kevin1954, Nov 16, 2022
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    We've made huge amount of money from the youth teams in recent history. Potential is a very salable asset and as we've found out, potential doesn't necessarily mean it will be realised.
     
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  17. SteveC

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    Was never in our youth set up. Went to Man U as a 6 year old....
     
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    Thats only if it comes to a tribunal after the clubs have failed to agree on a figure. If you have a 15 year old lad that half the premier league want then they will all bid any number of sums to get him, it essentially becomes an auction.

    Hence the 1/4m potentially from the lad that Brighton signed
     
    #45 Dratsab taf, Nov 16, 2022
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    HaHa Kevin, True to form, When you are out debated or lose your argument you resort to little digs, , I make allowances for your age but you do seem flawed as a poster in little contribution other than carping and critisim , Good Luck
     
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  20. Storck

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    So using those two figures, the actual cost to the club is about £80k, minus and sponsorship deals that may be in place etc
     
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