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Prince Andrew

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by JonButterfield, Jan 5, 2022.

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  1. Edin Nowhere

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    What has she got to live for, life in jail? I doubt that is something worth keeping quiet for.
     
    #21 Edin Nowhere, Jan 5, 2022
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    But living what's left of your life in fear of a brutal violent death isn't an attractive prospect either.
     
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  3. Storck

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    If it was as cut and dried as some commentators are saying the judge would have ruled on it there and then.

    I have read and seen a number of reports about it and have read some saying it is obviously going one way and others saying the opposite all using different things that the judge said and what people think he implied by other things he said/did or didn’t do.
     
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    she could have negotiated a plea deal before hand and ended up with lower convictions carrying less time.

    the time for that has gone now as sentencing is for the judge to decide rather than the prosecution
     
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    Media reports suggest a misstrial may be called after one of the jurors claims to nave been a victim of abuse.
     
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  6. Storck

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    isn’t it too late for a mistrial ?
     
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    No. Otherwise her defence team wouldn’t be considering filing for a misstrial.
     
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    Does sound dodgy but surely if they were that bothered they should have asked the question during voir dire
     
    #28 Storck, Jan 5, 2022
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    That's an absolute mess.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59884806

    God knows what they're going to do if it turns out that some of the jurors have been influenced by an undeclared bias. Why they let jurors talk to the media I will never understand.
     
    #29 Aaron Baker, Jan 6, 2022
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    I am reminded of , was it Oscar Wilde?
    And I apologise if anyone things I am being insensitive but the whole "settlement" issue tells its own tale.
     
    #30 Tennesseebantam, Jan 6, 2022
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    I am reliably informed that Prince William is self-isolating with Covid - 19

    Meanwhile Prince Andrew is self-isolating with Gemma - 15

    ;)
     
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    They did. The implication is the juror lied when answering the question that asked have you ever suffered sexual abuse.
     
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    Update mate:

    The US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK, charged with causing the death by dangerous driving of the 19-year-old motorcyclist Harry Dunn. The 44-year-old is accused of killing the teenager in a road crash outside the US military base RAF Croughton in Northamptonshire on 27 August 2019.
     
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  14. Storck

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    she isn’t coming here or partaking in the trial though at the moment

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10308955/Ann-Saccolas-lawyers-say-NO-agreement-videolink-hearing-New-Year.html
     
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    Thanks for the update mate, I obviously hadn't kept up with the news regarding the case.
     
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    #36 1975citygent, Jan 7, 2022
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    Except for the fact, the clause almost certainly wasn't written just to protect others who had trafficked her. The point of it will simply be to prevent her from taking legal action that might allow her to go after any 3rd party which might then expose Epstein in a way that wasn't covered by the agreement. Going after people that Epstein may have instructed her to sleep with is doing exactly that and rightfully should be covered by the agreement that she willingly signed in exchange for a massive payoff
     
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    If Epstein were alive, he could enact that clause.

    Thankfully, he's dead, and Prince Andrew will have to pay her off, which most will conclude is an act if guilt, or defend himself.
     
    #38 JonButterfield, Jan 7, 2022
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    Another of the Jury now admitted to been sexually abused and possibly influenced the jury by that,
     
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    The thing is we absolutely shouldn't. For starters this is a civil case that has a much lower burden of proof, you don't actually need to prove anything, you just have to persuade the judge or jury that it's more likely to be true than false. It's why civil cases often never reach court because even if you are 100% innocent its not worth the risk of the trial

    And second of all because what crime exactly has he absolutely committed. Her story has gone from being that Andrew wasn't aware that she was forced to sleep with him to that he probably knew she was trafficked. Everywhere he is alleged to have slept with her she was of legal age, it's only the trafficked factor that would make it illegal but when we live in a world where young girls throw themselves at famous men can you really convict someone without proof they knew that person was trafficked? What exactly are people supposed to do ask everyone they sleep with if they have been trafficked? Is a girl who has been trafficked really going to answer yes?

    It stinks of either her money-grabbing (And perhaps trying to make people forget she wasn't being held hostage and the fact she supposedly is just as much guilty as Maxwell when it comes to recruiting girls who by US law were underage) or as part of a FBI fishing exercise because they need a big name as a foreign sacrificial lamb so they don't have to go after big names in the US like Trump and Clinton
     
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