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  1. Bigrod

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    Agree about his age and also that he is likely to want to stay. The wording in the article says, “Clayton Donaldson’s one-year deal is understood to include an option in his favour so expect him to stay on as well“. I suppose that the terms of the extension would be up to some sort agreement. I would be very surprised if there were an option for it to be an exact duplicate of the current one. By The start of the new season, assuming it is likely to be slightly later in the year, he will be nearer 37 years of age.
    Not knocking Clayton, but you have to be realistic, he cannot really command a high salary.
     
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    https://www.bradfordcityfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/bantams-secure-bradford-born-donaldson/

    Even here it mentions he has a initial 1 year contract meaning an option on a 2 is on the table.

    I think Parker is right that the option is in his favour.

    He can commend the same salary. All depends what's in the contract mate. Bowyer went for it with Donaldson and Vaughan. The aim was to go up make no question about it. Vaughan on 3 year deal and I wouldn't be sacked if Donaldson is an extra year on same money if we are in div 2 but would have been more if in div 1.
     
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    Don't think Bowyer knew about them 2 donkeys signed on deadline day.
     
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  4. Botswana Bantam

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    Well, based on who's still here, it will be Stuart's team next season so he'll be able to shape it however he wants.

    Wonder if Hornby and Longridge will look to move somewhere they can get first team action. Won't be easy but they may want to be playing and they didn't show much with us "last" (this?) season.
     
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  5. SimonW

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    Moneyball has never really worked in Football when teams have tried it. It needs sports like Baseball where despite being a team sport is very individual based (it’s all about who is on the plate and the mound, the rest of the players have no or limited impact really) and has very few outside influences. The less a sport is about the individuals and the more outside influences you have the more unpredictable it is and modelling it statistically becomes way less accurate
     
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    Brentford have done it quite successfully.
     
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  7. How

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    It wasn’t a post to follow the moneyball idea religiously as such. More to give people an idea of what I meant who weren’t familiar with it.
    Barnsley use the model, Brentford do and I am sure they are others. All similar ideas to look at stats and not much else and it works and I feel it would work at league two level. The Peterborough chairman has employed someone recently to look at it for them
     
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    You're very possibly right of course but for every Brunker there's two or three players that are just as hastily dismissed that go on to prove the pundits wrong. It's been a tough start for Guthrie. He's the face that represents the disastrous Jan transfer window and many had made their minds up about him before he'd even laced his boots up. Nothing I've seen or read about him suggests he's going to be a success here but I'm not going to write him off before he's been given a fair chance.
     
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  9. SimonW

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    Brentford’s is based more on the setup at FC Midtjylland though. And that is it has two prongs. First they don’t have a youth setup, that was scrapped to save money. This money is then used to fund a B team and they look to hoover up players released from other teams looking for those couple of players who were released for the 'wrong reasons' and will either do a job for Brentford’s A team long term or may be able to be sold for a decent profit. Brentford’s is a little odd in that they only play friendlies, there’s a handful of clubs who take a similar approach and actually enter the B teams in the lower leagues but then I suppose not having league games means they are more flexiable so if a PL or foreign top level club has space in their U23 schedule they are always free for a game.

    The second prong is where stats come in, it’s not used to identify and sign players without seeing them but to identify undervalued and undertapped leagues to scout for bargains. They still do proper scouting and pick players based on what the scouts see unlike moneyball where stats drive the decisions but it prevents scouting when you have a limited scouting team from just looking at the obvious but overpriced leagues. Midtjylland For example had a focus on the German 2nd division for a while and picked up some great priced talent but when that success pushed prices up they switched focus to other leagues

    The problem is this kind of setup does take some time so it’s not something that is going to benefit clubs for next season. Admittedly City are part of the way having scrapped the u23 setup already but those savings would appear to be being used for the 1st team directly rather than investing in the future so you would need to find more savings to go the Brentford route
     
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    You're very possibly right of course but for every Brunker there's two or three players that are just as hastily dismissed that go on to prove the pundits wrong. It's been a tough start for Guthrie. He's the face that represents the disastrous Jan transfer window and many had made their minds up about him before he'd even laced his boots up. Nothing I've seen or read about him suggests he's going to be a success here but I'm not going to write him off before he's been given a fair chance.
     
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  11. Bronco

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    He's appeared not sure he's played, to be fair he picked an injury up at Morecambe just as we were starting to get going but certainly not the Donaldson most were hoping for :(.
     
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  12. A64 Bantam

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    Another option for right back would be Tyler French , he played in that position when he went out on loan to Fylde. He showed promise in the limited appearances he made for us , hopefully he can make progress next year.
     
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    Good to know, and yes, he did show some promise. Still, I wonder if he's ready to be a starter for what we hope will be a promotion-chasing side. Sub apps, spot starts and see how/if he develops further might be the way to go.

    RCB
     
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    Donaldson, Doyle and Vaughan all season we wouldn't be 9th.

    Funny all 3 kind of cost Bowyer his job... Rhodes letting Doyle go on loan, Donaldson getting injured then Vaughan falling out with Bowyer because Bowyer was a negative bore that would struggle to get the best out of any forward.
     
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    Yeah even in Baseball there is a point where having more money to throw around trumps stat-based recruitment. The bigger teams can get away with a dew of their expensive players flopping. It's more effective at taking smaller sides and making them 'competitive' rather than making them champions
     
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    Momeyball in football doesn't work. Think Liverpool's current owners were all money ball when they first came in but scrapped in...

    1) Get a decent manager or one you want to back
    2) Make sure recruitment is spot on. It's not always about the cost. It's about the right fit.
    3) Have a few decent youth players.
    4) Have a plan
    5) Know how you want to play.

    When you look at the current best team in the world in Liverpool these 5 points they got perfectly. One of the reasons UTD might be back in the mix next season or season after is they have these points covered now.

    Bradford fail on all the points.
     
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    Bowyer was just awful. To this day I am shocked @Bronco@Bronco rated him.

    Think Collins when alll considering was better than Bowyer. Dreadful manager
     
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  18. Bronco

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    No contest if you guys on TCA were complaining.
     
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    How ironic this is from someone whos criticising the EFL for not finishing the season because as hes quoted he believes we could get a play off place, you couldn't make it up.......then again maybe you could.
     
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    ;)
     
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