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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Jan 25, 2022.

  1. Aaron Baker

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    To clarify - I think that having the most low key looking birthday lunch I've ever seen is okay, I think that giving a speech when someone is leaving was also okay, I think that having moderate amounts of alcohol in the workplace is fine. I similarly think that having beer and curry at the end of a work day is fine and so is doing a TikTok dance.

    It could probably be argued that none of them are "necessary for work" depending on the exact circumstances but these were the nuances that we all generally accepted when we knew key workers were showing up to their jobs. It depends on how strictly you want to interpret that key phrase and how consistently you want to do it.

    I don't think that drinking until you're sick, having a DJ, doing karaoke, etc, ect, are okay and I'm glad that people who partook in those activities have been reprimanded.
     
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    Did anyone really think that through these times of stupid lockdowns that the ones at actually administering them would follow the same rules as us or even think twice about having beer and a curry at work when the vast majority of the work force were under extreme measures? Deary me people, wise up.
     
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    We have seen evidence from cleaners and security who asked them to stop and/or be quieter which shows that if they knew it was wrong so did Boris.

    I think your point has no merit because either he knowingly misled and therefore should go or he couldnt see the wood for trees which raises a question about his competency to be PM.
     
  4. Clity

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    Why was it Ok to say goodbye to people leaving work but not Ok to say goodbye to dying/dead loved ones?
     
  5. Aaron Baker

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    You see. I think it should have been for a start. Stopping people seeing dying relatives was a shameful overreaction.

    However if youre talking about within the context of the actual spirit if the rules I'd say you're already at work during the day and I'm guessing people said good bye at the end of every day? What actual risk does spending 20 more minutes with the people you'd already spent 8 hours with pose?

    Whereas gathering around with relatives obviously is additional people which increase the risk.....albeit a risk that people should have been able to judge for themselves.
     
  6. Aaron Baker

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    Or.....alternatively....the cleaners were there to clean whereas I'm hoping Johnson had more inportant things to do that check up on staff. I would count on him doing it well but it's surely not actually in his remit.
     
  7. Keefly Bantam

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    When the pandemic started vast swathes of the Civil service were told to work from home where you could- especially those staff with existing underlying health conditions.

    Canteens were immediately closed. Staff remaining in offices had to eat at their own desk and at least 1 desk was set between staff for social distancing. No sharing of food/making drinks/stopping to chat in the corridors, plastic screens were put up-I could go on.

    Except it seems Downing Street-and what irks me as a civil servant is that BJ in no 10 just completely stuck 2 fingers up and said feck the rules lets have drinky poos and whether the gathering was a party or not gatherings were expressly forbidden throughout the civil service. The semantics over what constitutes a party is irrelevant-no gatherings were allowed inside Government buildings per se. That came from the cabinet. Social distancing was the mantra in all areas at all times-no ifs or buts.

    All meetings were to be conducted by MS Teams and some still are.

    Except it seems no10.

    The only reason BJ is sorry is that he has been caught out shoving his own guidance down the throats of the population.
     
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    It's utterly implausible to believe that he didn't know the extent of what was going on under his nose. Once or twice - maybe. But regular winetime Fridays for months; emails flying around about bring your own booze; broken swings in his back garden etc etc - impossible to believe.

    According to Civil Servants in the know, he not only knew about it but actively condoned and encouraged it.

    The difficulty is that it's hard to prove, because the poor sods who took the rap for him aren't going to put their heads above the parapet by giving evidence in public to the Select Committee. So he'll continue to claim he didn't know what was going on and the Tory majority on the committee will exonerate him. Whether the public will do likewise in the various upcoming by-elections is much more open to doubt, however.
     
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    Exactly this. Except in @Aaron Baker@Aaron Baker 's parallel universe, where all these people were actually just cracking on as normal and birthday cakes, leaving do's, you name it, were everyday occurrences **so funny
     
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    Hopefully now all the canteens have reopened and all the civil servants have returned to their desks,
     
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  11. Aaron Baker

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    Why is it implausible?

    Do you think he goes around checking swings as part of his normal routine?

    There is some blurring of the lines here again.I have no doubt that he encouraged some of the alcohol drinking and saw it as morale boosting down time. I can't believe - and there's no evidence despite all the WhatsApps and emails flying around - that he knew the extent of people crossing the line. Its not like the cleaner would knock on the Prime Ministers door to report a sick stain is it? Many of the people involved were clearly going out of their way to hide their actions.
     
  12. Aaron Baker

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    And all people 100% kept to those rules at all times didn't they?

    Not 1 person pushed those boundaries in the real world.
     
  13. Aaron Baker

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    You are hilarious!

    You really think that if people were working alongside 10s or hundreds of people as key workers and someone left, their future absence wasn't acknowledged? If someone had a birthday nobody recognised that?

    Spending 40 hours alongside these people anyway but taking 20 minutes to acknowledge a life event would cause the virus to suddenly spread? I think we're losing sight of why the restrictions were there and focusing too much on the technicalities.

    And I live I a parallel universe?
     
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    They most certainly weren't sitting on laps and toasting people with wine. As @Keefly Bantam@Keefly Bantam says, the rules in civil service and local government offices were enforced rigidly. The culture that developed at No 10 was totally atypical, which is why public sector office workers are so outraged about it.
     
  15. Aaron Baker

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    They weren't and I hope that anybody who were sitting on laps.....unless those people were part of a household bubble of course....were rightly punished for it.
     
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    Let's be honest, the local government loved the power trip. Why else would they tape off park benches.
     
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  17. Keefly Bantam

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    You have missed the point. The rules came from no 10 so the least you would expect is for them to abide by them.

    But they didnt.
     
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  18. Aaron Baker

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    I expect everyone to abide by them.

    But it's okay quoting what the rules were in the public service but the point is people bent them and broke them just as they did in Number 10.

    I'm glad anyone who broke them got punished. Wherever they were.
     
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    Try telling that that to someone who lost a spouse after over 50 years of MARRIAGE who wasn't allowed to be there at the end or give them the funeral they deserved
    Sure it will be a great comfort !!!
     
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  20. Keefly Bantam

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    I wasnt talking about anyone else. Stop deflecting from the point that no 10 set the rules and out of everyone they should have kept to them by the letter. They didnt. They got found out and some heads have already rolled but shamefully the one that should be rolling isnt. Total lack of respect to those who did follow the rules and were not able to see loved ones who were ill or had sadly passed away.
     
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