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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. Offside

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    The demographics of the ward Naz Shah represents means she carn't lose , this is ignoring the facts that 40k people signed a petition for her deselection , not only for the grooming scandle and her anti- semetic outburst that led to her suspension from the Labour party . She did rightly appologise for her anti - semetic comments , but did she appologise to appease the Labour party or because she was wrong in her original views ?. I would have no problems what so ever with her being an MP if you stuck to being an MP . She organised a letter signed by most of the Labour front bench saying Pritti Patel should not use her ethnicity to highlight her childhood and use it for political scoring , yet David Lammy - Diane Abbott have done the same thing for years .
     
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  2. Edin Nowhere

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    There is somewhat of a difference between a general election and a referendum.

    In a general election you could put a donkey with a red or blue rosette on and it would get elected. I hate the my grandad and my dad voted Labour, Tory rubbish so that's who I will vote. Be your own person and make your own mind up, not what Labour or the Tories might have represented to your Grandad 50 years ago, they aren't the same party.
     
  3. Offcomedun

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    Why?
    Clearly people who voted for Naz Shah in greatly increased numbers had their reasons for doing so. Just has those who voted for Brexit had theirs. Yet it seems it's ok to brand one set of voters as thick for doing so, but not another.
    Explain why that's a shocking comparison. It seems perfectly logical to me.
     
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  4. Bronco

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    Maybe a little harsh calling the electorate "thick as pig shit" but let's have a look at this woman who had a an arranged marriage with her cousin, luckily she managed to escape from it with the help of a neighbour, she says it was a very abusive marriage and she took many beatings.
    Yet this is the same women who has been abused by a man and no doubt the way she speaks about the arranged marriage she was forced to have sex when he wanted it openly comments with regards grooming Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.”.
    Not merely is it a shocking comment but she says she had similar experiences with her partner in the arranged marriage she should know what being forced to have sex is wrong.
    As you are aware my last vote was not for the party I have supported all my life but I couldn't vote for a candidate who was happy to post that sort of comment when feelings were running high with regards social workers not doing there job for fear of the racist card being played.
    She was also happy to retweet this comment I'm told, the US had “plenty of land” and that the move would restore peace to the Middle East, shes certainly a member of a party that has difficulty in shaking the anti-semitism claim off.
    So again the comment is a little harsh but maybe the electorate of Bradord West need to question should they be voting for an MP who is happy to express her views with regards grooming it would suggest they are as @Storck@Storck says she has increased her majority over her time as Bradford Wests MP.
     
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  5. Offcomedun

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    All of this is your well known and oft repeated view about Naz Shah. But it doesn't address the issue that I raised.
     
  6. BradfordBanter

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    Because one set of votes is supporting a woman who endorsed child grooming gangs!!! How can you even compare that to voting for Brexit?
     
  7. Offcomedun

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    Because many people are just as nonplussed about why millions of others would vote for something that seems certain to damage them, as you are about why people would vote for Naz Shah.
    People clearly have their reasons for voting that others often don't understand, whether that's voting for Naz Shah or voting for Brexit. But it seems it's ok to call one lot thick for doing so, but not the other.
     
  8. BradfordBanter

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    It's an awful comparison, argue it all you want.
     
  9. Bronco

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    I think you softening your stance on Brexit mate at one time your comment would be "why millions of others would vote for something that will certainly damage them" ;).
     
  10. Edin Nowhere

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    I've answered you on why the comparison not valid.

    When General Elections come round most people will simply vote Red or Blue without even looking at what policy is being put forward because it's the way they have always done so. In many places there is little to no point in voting as your vote really doesn't matter.

    Was a vote for Naz, a vote of confidence in her ability or a vote for a load of free stuff promised by Corbyn and co? On the other side of the City the MP there is moaning that benefits don't continue when people are popping out kid No5, 6, 7 & 8.

    With the referendum, there is no default position. Many people on both sides will not really know what they were voting for, but there will have been many who looked at what it meant and their vote did count unlike in a general election whilst voting in a safe seat.
     
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  11. Hoochy-Min

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    Rubbish! You only have to look at the last election to see that many, many of the very safest tie a red rosette on a donkey Labour seats fell to the Tories. Bronco's liked your post and he's one of the people who voted blue!
     
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  12. Tolly856

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    Just to clarify here:

    Brexit voters- Often labeled as being thick.

    Naz Shah voters- Labeled above as being ‘thick as pig shit’.

    That’s the comparison that’s been made hasn’t it? Not sure what the issue is here as the like for like in both cases is A) very obvious and B) perfectly valid as both sets of voters have clearly been subject to the thick/lack of intelligence tag from those with opposing political views.

    It is however the reasoning you’ve provided that gets me. Voting for Naz Shah means that you support a woman who endorses child grooming gangs does it?

    I guess that’s the equivalent of your Brexit vote meaning you support racists who want foreigners lynched in the streets? If the answer is no, then I’m sure you can figure out how why putting all voters under the bracket is wrong and how you’ve perfectly illustrated Offcomedun’s point about double standards. You’re willing to make sweeping stereotypes about one group of voters but not the other.
     
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  13. BradfordBanter

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    I don't understand how you can't see it as strange to compare people that vote for Naz Shah and people that voted for Brexit, they are voting for someone who endorsed child grooming. That level of thick isn't quite on the level of someone who you feel has been mislead by a political campaign is it? Morally everything is absolutely criminal about Naz Shah, so to compare a person who gives a vote to a twisted MP with a horrific track record on grooming to something like Brexit is stupid. No two ways about. It's a strange comparison!
     
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    Large sections of the Bradford public are told who to vote for. Not who they want to vote for. Have done for years.
     
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  15. Edin Nowhere

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    Brexit actually work these people up. All the areas what switched voted leave but had a Labour MP stood there stopping it at every attempt. Bradford West voted remain, so Naz didn't get that backlash.
     
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  16. Bronco

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    Because someone likes a post it doesn't mean every word, he's correct many will vote as they have done for years, us leavers had no other party to vote for with regards Brexit I was left with little option, as @Edin Nowhere@Edin Nowhere says the referendum was not a default position and gave his reasons why, which I agreed with hence my like.
     
  17. Hoochy-Min

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    Bradford South had a Brexit Party candidate.
     
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  18. Tolly856

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    Why was this deleted? 89952513-2751-4D31-90F9-5501A7E57C18.jpeg
    I was trying to make a point about unfair, extreme stereotypes associated with mass groups of people and why they are not always appropriate. I know Bradford Banter isn’t any of those things, which emphasized my point and perfectly demonstrated why some of the labels attached to Naz Shah voters in this thread are misplaced.

    What’s the issue here?
     
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  19. BradfordBanter

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    It's an extreme comparison in my view, I would rather abstain from voting than vote for somebody who has backed what she has. I thought your comments were OTT and I had comments deleted for the reply too....
     
  20. Hoochy-Min

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    I've also had a post edited.

    Sad to see the MODS pandering to the racist fraternity.
     
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