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Rubbish! You only have to look at the last election to see that many, many of the very safest tie a red rosette on a donkey Labour seats fell to the Tories. Bronco's liked your post and he's one of the people who voted blue!

 

Because someone likes a post it doesn't mean every word, he's correct many will vote as they have done for years, us leavers had no other party to vote for with regards Brexit I was left with little option, as @Edin Nowhere says the referendum was not a default position and gave his reasons why, which I agreed with hence my like.

 

Bradford South had a Brexit Party candidate.

 

Why was this deleted?
I was trying to make a point about unfair, extreme stereotypes associated with mass groups of people and why they are not always appropriate. I know Bradford Banter isn’t any of those things, which emphasized my point and perfectly demonstrated why some of the labels attached to Naz Shah voters in this thread are misplaced.

What’s the issue here?

 

It's an extreme comparison in my view, I would rather abstain from voting than vote for somebody who has backed what she has. I thought your comments were OTT and I had comments deleted for the reply too....

 

I've also had a post edited.

Sad to see the MODS pandering to the racist fraternity.

 

I would have been wasting my time voting Brexit as the Tories would not sit out in constituencies they couldn't win and give the Brexit party chance to get disgruntled Labour supports to vote for them bad move in my opinion.
You could argue I wasted my vote on the Tories after Judith Cummings was re-elected ( with a lower majority) but I couldn't vote for a party that had so many problems least of all a leader who for years had been anti EU then miraculously couldn't make his mind up and declared himself "Brexit nutral"
With regards Judith Cummings I can assure you she was not in support of leaving as she told me on two occasions when I Emailed her.
She was not prepared to vote for something that she believed would leave her constituents worse off and cost jobs.
When I Emiled her the second time I told her she was not representing myself and many more who voted lbrexit her reply was similar to her first Email.
Needless to say on my final Email to her I said if she still held that belief I could not support either her or the Labour Party who I had always voted for previously, I don't get a reply.

 

Alot of seats moving to Blue where they had forever been Red was down to Labour switching to the Bexit Party and lowering Labours vote. It almost happened in Bradford South.

 

You wanted Brexit and you wanted to not vote for Labour but didn't vote for the Brexit party? Makes no sense whatsoever to vote for the tories.

 

I think Ive explained the situation, but if you can't comprehend my post I'll leave it at that

 

I found the grooming gang association and “thick as pig shit” comment offensive too so what now, we delete the entire thread? You and Staffordbantam may well have found those labels offensive, and in truth they are but it’s a reality and that’s the important thing here. Like it or not, those are some of the stereotypes some remain voters have on those who voted to leave the EU. In many cases, they struggle to differentiate between the good and the bad and can’t get their heads around the fact that not all 17.4 Million Brexit voters are the same. It’s the exact same reasoning which makes me disagree with some of the associations made about Naz Shah voters on this thread. You obviously disagree with it which given your reluctance to accept some of the sweeping stereotypes about Brexit voters in return is rank hypocrisy tbh.

Moving on, my was deleted for “personal abuse”, only it wasn’t personal. You know very well I wasn’t calling you those things directly. Context is everything, but our friend Staffordbantam obviously isn’t having it. Ruins every single thread when he decides to get involved. We were perfectly capable of discussing this issue without him deciding to delete everything.

 

Your post is a rattling drone of inane drivel as usual that you're somehow using to try and justify voting Tory instead of Brexit as a protest vote. Doesn't wash with me. I think you admire Boris and I'll throw in Trump and Hopkins too.

How am I doing?

 

In conjunction with actress Maxine Peake whom I liked as an actress when she first came on the screen in 'shameless' but it turns out she's just another rabid leftie...

 

@Rogered Tart , she is the darling of Momentum and and a commited Corbynista , civil war looming . Always comes across as a nasty sneering piece of work .

 

Absolutely doesn't matter how intelligent voters are, all that matters is how many voters parties get onside.

Corbyn was a heavy failure, and Starmer has a lot of work to do.

If voters really were as thick as had been suggested then it shouldn't be hard to win their vote.

 

There's time. The Tories have four and a half years to crash us out of our biggest market with no deal; continue to totally mismanage our pandemic response; tank our economy in comparison to equivalent other countries; throw millions out of work onto hopelessly inadequate benefits and preside over a never ending series of corruption leaks and scandals like Cummings' jaunt to Durham and the Desmond/Kendrick stitch up. Johnson is an utterly incompetent, lazy, lying w&nker. He is being eviscerated in the Commons by Starmer, who has more brains in his toes than Boris the clown has in his head. No government in living memory has been this ineffectual or this unpopular so soon after a landslide GE victory. Most ruling parties exhaust public support after fifteen years in office and that will be far too long in power to blame any of the mess we'll be in on Labour.

Yes, the left of the LP will whine and shout about selling out the true socialist way, and all that guff. But if Starmer can carry on the way he's going he'll have turned Labour into a government in waiting the way Blair did in the 90s. Some of the membership will be unhappy but most will realise that having purist principles without power is just pissing in the wind.

The problem Starmer has is that the Tory majority is currently so big that it may not be possible to overturn it in a single five year electoral period. It may be that the best he can do is to cut the government's majority drastically. By which time the Tory party will be tearing itself to shreds and hopefully won't last the full term beyond 2025.

 

Kick all the Trots, stalinists and Anti semites out and what have you got left...? Starmer and that's about it, Butler and Ashworth next I hope then he might be getting somewhere...

 

Labour Government ?. The civil war begins , Momentum and Corbyn on the rampage this morning lovely . Imagine ( realms of fantasy ) Corbyn and co in charge , like i said earlier they've elected another glove puppet who ( unless its a party ) will never see the inside of No 10 . They never learn , it will be split in 2 in the near future , this type of thing is always bubbling under the surface .

 

Good post mate and once again as you say the media write whatever they believe will sell papers.
I suggest a "disgraceful hard right Israeli" is just what's required when your country is surrounded by many countries that would be happy to see Isreal wiped of the face of the planet.
Starmer has over 4 years to turn the party around because if he can't get Labour into a winning position with regards polls at the present moment with the Tories handling of Covid-19 and brexit for the remainers he never will.

 

bibi is a warmonger who is contributing to israels problems as much as anything. i understand their position is a unique one but he is too far.