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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rogered Tart, Jun 14, 2023.

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The New 23/24 Home Kit

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  2. It's OK

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  3. Not Bothered Either Way

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  4. It's Poor

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  5. Hate It

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  1. Birky Bantam

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    It doesn't impact you but you've decided it's not needed. Sometimes player numbers and names are the only way for colour blind people to tell the difference between players as the kits clash. It's also not just about fans but what about if a commentator or referee is colour blind.
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  2. Tennesseebantam

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    As a colour blind ref, I’m only allowed to referee because our state rules for kits at high school level mean home team plays in plain dark shirts and away in plain white.
    Not sure colour blind refs are allowed above a certain level though. Anyway, what was that silver thing we wore the other year with invisible white numbers? As for the stripes, I can’t remember not being able to see the numbers on our shirts.
     
  3. XCIV_Bantam

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    "I'm all for equality and inclusion, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater for a minor issue."

    in other words:

    Im all for equality and inclusion until it affects me directly, at that point it can be derided as a 'non-issue' and pointless.

    and whats worse you are belittling people, and their troubles over a patch on the back of a shirt, do you wear yours back to front or something?
     
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  4. Offcomedun

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    No, I had simply never considered that clearly seeing the numbers on players' backs was any kind of a big deal whatsoever.
    If we are going down the road of inclusivity for colourblindness, it seems to me that there are far more important and effective stipulations to be made than forcing plain patches onto the backs of shirts, ie:
    - Prohibiting away teams from wearing stripes/hoops if the home team is doing so.
    - Prohibiting away teams (including keepers) from wearing yellow shirts if the home team is in blue (or vice versa). Same for potential red/green clashes.
    Those measures would surely have far greater benefits for colour blind spectators than buggering up traditional striped shirts just because of the numbers. They're using a sledgehammer to crack a relatively insignificant nut whilst ignoring far bigger colourblind issues.
     
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  5. Ashton Bantam

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    I'm colour blind and the number ruling is a bit of a red herring.

    I don't and I imagine very few people do identify players by numbers. In the stand they're too small to tell when play is ongoing.

    The real issue as per the image above is kit colour. It should always be designated dark/light. Then you can tell and the number is irrelevant so you could have any design on the back you wish.
     
  6. Rogered Tart

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    This happens in the NFL where the home team wears their home colours and usually the road (or away) side wears white or if the home side wears white the away side must do the opposite. Brought in in the 50s with the advent of black and white TV and stayed the same since.
     
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  7. Ashton Bantam

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    Exactly. It's simple and should be included in league regulations that your home/away kits have to have that contrast so there's always am option. Job done.
     
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  8. Peter

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    How do you tell red from yellow ?


    I would’ve thought seeing well would be a prerequisite of being a ref kinda like being able to swim if your a lifeguard
     
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  9. Interested Bystander

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    Assume the red is a disc & the yellow a rectangle.
    And there are also colour blind players
     
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  10. Tennesseebantam

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    My eyesight is piss poor as well. But seriously my colour blindness is rarely a problem but I am big enough to say that there are colour combinations that I would really struggle with. As it stands now we also have a middle school competition in my county where all the teams wear dark shirts. We have maroon, navy blue and dark green. I actually have to use shirt number colors or the school logo on the front or shorts design to tell between them.
    As far as EFL goes, if they feel a solid panel on the back is helpful then fair enough.
     
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    Don’t see why the replica kits need the colour blind panel if that’s the case……
     
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  12. Offcomedun

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    I guess because the club doesn't want to have to pay for two separate designs - one with the plain back panel and one proper striped shirt.
     
  13. Melbourne Bantam

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    Another Macron kit, new Palace away kit. Be happy with something like this.



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    Short term thinking if that’s the case. One design for the players - dunno how many they go through a season, and one design for the fans of which they’ll sell thousands. I remember back in the day, players always had bespoke shirts with embroidered badges. Producing a fans shirt, is really no different than producing a fans polo shirt.
     
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  15. Bronco

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    A poor call from our recruitment guys paying nominal fee and giving him a 3 year deal, good on you Jake trying to prove your worth, I wonder if Barrow will be back after this comment from Wild: At the time Barrow manager Pete Wild described Young as a "top player", Wild later saying that Young was starting to impress him with his performances,
     
  16. Bronco

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    Never been one for asking peoples opinions with regards what I wear/wore if I liked it I bought it and wore it, some right head turners in the late 60s early 70, being of a certain age @Gateway38@Gateway38 I'm sure you remember.

    Just to add you won't see me in our latest home strip ;).
     
  17. Bronco

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    That's what I was told Cream/off White, but not told about the shorts or socks.
     
  18. Offcomedun

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    I agree. I'm sure they'd sell far more striped or hooped shirts if they didn't have a horrible blank patch on the back. I don't think it's coincidence that last season's proper striped shirt sold in record numbers.
     
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    I'm colourblind too and that kit was horrific.

    It's often not just also the colours but the way the colours are displayed, for example similar, complimentary colours on two kits when one is say stripes and another is halves/quarters can be really difficult to see the difference.
     
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  20. Sergio Pinto III

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    Its not a talent thing with Jake Young. I was told by a pretty reliable source there was a falling out behind closed doors which resulted in Young telling Hughes he was 'f**king clueless'. Young was very close to Kian Harratt who was also having problems with Hughes at the time.

    No coming back from that unless he has been on his hands and knees and begged forgiveness.

    What I was told, could be BS but would also make a lot of sense.
     
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