The Voice - Match preview Most liked posts in thread: MK Dons vs Bradford City Tuesday 24th October 2023 19:45

I think you are being harsh on the fans, we have had 5 years of stagnation. It is hard to take and the fans have come out in their thousands. You give the impression that you don’t like our fans? What shall we do sack the current fans don’t allow them anywhere near VP and get some patient fans from elsewhere?

Our long suffering fans have tipped up money in their millions and are treated like mushroom under the guise of business sensitivity. Not even a plan we could all buy into.

 

I have no idea, but here’s the thing we are treated like customers and served up whatever comes our way and if we don’t like it we can go elsewhere. Is that anyway to run a business? I am not clutching I am indicating where the club could treat us with respect.

 

I'm really not sure what you want. Unless the club was fan owned you're never likely to get more info than the news of appointed members of staff and a very vague preview of a plan.

I imagine football clubs keep it in house to stop other clubs copying or knowing what the plan is. A bit like training.

We are customers at the end of the day albeit loyal ones. As above if we were fan owned, that's different.

 

Basically, yeah.

A world where things are just allowed to play out, a simulation.

 

See post above for clarification.

 

I can't explain it any simpler. If you can't understand what I'm saying there's no point wasting time.

One final time: Hughes had to go due to the toxic atmosphere and because he lost support of the fans and the players weren't performing.

Without the fans, in an ideal world, I'd have preferred him to stay.

That isn't 'changing my mind', it's just you not really following what I'm saying, seeing two different outcomes based on two different scenarios and joining the dots as you see fit.

 

Well I know it's not a sim, that's why I supported sacking Hughes. We had little choice.

I'm not happy about it. It felt like another example of self sabotage, just like under Bowyer. Who we also needed to sack once the fans turned - but it shouldn't have got to that stage in an ideal world.

Now I'm just expecting the same thing over and over.

McDonald wins 10 points from a possible 12, but we lose 1 game and I guarantee our fans think he'll never make a manager.

It's absolutely nuts.

 

4 years! no way, they need a plan to build a team from what we have.

 

Sorry Pussy cats were jumping all over me lol

 

Hard to argue with that. To me one of the problems is within the managers themselves. They have a way of doing things which every now and then works with set of players they've got...Bowyer and Blackpool eg. They don't seem to be that good at adapting themselves to the tools given which is why we see square pegs in round holes etc. If, after a couple of transfer windows there's no real sign of a clear plan and better "fits" within the playing system, that's when fans start to chelp. Most of those managers came in with our optimism behind them but if fans perceive a lack of progress it does quickly deteriorate.
It was interesting watching Bowyer at Dundee, he was the bees knees to start with but then it was tinkering, square pegs in round holes etc all over again. I saw a fair few games live and a few on TV last season and they scraped up with a squad that should have made it comfortably. By the end, the relationship with the fans was in tatters and the fans were dreading this season.
It could be that the managers able to make best use of what they're given are few and far between and may be further up the food chain than we'll attract unless there's an up and comer with no track record to come in.
Would we welcome someone with no track record?
So, I don't think it's all down to immediacy of expectations from the fans, I think fans will buy in to something that they can see is a developing plan and accept steady progress within reason. Who at City is bright enough to spot that person though?
How long do we have to wait though...

 

So McDonald said he was happy with some of Tuesday in his most recent interview. Either he's protecting the players or he's simply deluded