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Most liked posts in thread: Mason Greenwood - a disgrace

  1. Frank Castle

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    I have no doubt he'll be suspended by the club over the next couple of days, essentially whenever the Police arrest him.

    This is the problem with football at the moment. These young 'superstars' have always been used to getting exactly what they want, they believe they are better than everybody else. So if you're a c**t, that trait will only be amplified, and Greenwood is a c**t.

    The girl has a lot of guts for going public and credit to her. Greenwood's career is over and rightly so.

    Compare him to Rashford who, as annoying as he is, is the opposite. The struggles in his early life have led him to be a compassionate human being who tries to use his power and money to help other people.
     
  2. Frank Castle

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    The legal system isn't fit for purpose for crimes like this though, especially when it involves a high profile, wealthy individual.

    Allegations of domestic abuse, rape and threats are very difficult to deal with when it's a he said/she said scenario.

    For all we know she may well have reported his crimes and felt like nothing was being done? She may have felt this was the only way for the police to take her seriously.

    I agree context is key, but unless the clip is role-play and they are both very good actors (which I doubt), it's difficult to view this any other way.
     
  3. Faithful Bantam

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    There is a legal principle of innocent until proven guilty. But looking at those images, and having listened to the audio, I can't think of a context that would make it anything other than what it appears to be.

    You seem to be angling towards suggestions that its staged or faked with those comments. Would your view be different if the allegations were against a non United player?
     
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  4. Mike Hunt

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    I think your commentary on this is rather odd to be honest.

    Only 1.6% of rape allegations result in a charge being made. Not a conviction, a charge. Think about that. It’s no wonder women don’t go to the police, especially if their alleged assailant is wealthy, powerful, famous or all three.

    A victim doesn’t make the decision to press charges, the CPS do. She can withdraw the allegations but the case can continue even if the victim doesn’t want it to if there is a reasonable chance of a conviction and it is the public interest to do so.
     
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    Your bottom paragraph has merit. The media were quick to get Greenwoods name out in the open with their evidence posted all over social media. It won't happen but there needs to be a full and frank statement put out from the police/cps with an explanation of why charges were originally brought and then subsequently dropped. Because without it this has caused a lot of harm to potential domestic abuse victims and to people wrongly accused of sexual assault and domestic violence.
     
  6. Faithful Bantam

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    If the allegations are true, and the evidence looks damning. Hes done in football. And more than that, he's a sick human being.
     
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    A young girl may have been beaten and raped by him and your thoughts are centred around whether we might be able to land him a few years down the line?
     
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    The normally outspoken and extremely quick to villify Gary Neville quiet on all this. How strange...
     
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    Don’t know if it works like that wasn’t the late Caroline Flack on an assualt charge and her victim didn’t want it to go forward and it still did ????
    If there is enough damning evidence he ain’t gonna walk away from this Scot free especially in this day and age
     
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    I agree. Hes a Man Utd fan either in denial or trying to sugar coat this. Certainly giving Greenwood the benefit of the doubt. This isnt he said she said, there is audio evidence

    He kerps stating context - is he suggesting roleplay? Very very bizarre
     
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  11. JonButterfield

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    The thing that strikes me is, no sooner has this girl come forward with these allegations via social media than her father has come out with the most unbelievable statement imaginable.

    Read between the lines here:

    ‘She has told us her phone has been hacked. We told her to take it down, which she has done but it’s out there now so it is too late."

    ‘She is devastated because she didn’t want it released. We have known him since the under 21s. He has been part of our family for two or three years."

    Does this not read like "No sooner have I found out about this than I've told her she's made a terrible mistake, take that down at once, you're ruining your (my) meal ticket, Mason's a lovely lad and a big part of our family (and my plans)".

    I mean, I might be completely out of order here, but he sounds like a bloody apologist who's shitting himself because they're potentially ruining Mason Greenwood's career - when it actuality, it's Mason Greenwood that's potentially ruined his own career, and hopefully justice will be done.

    But it's all right people sitting back and saying "go through the proper channels, go to the police", well frankly if that's the level of support your own Dad is giving you, what choice do you have? "Shut up darling, he's rich".

    Again, I might be totally out of order here, I don't know her or her Dad, but his statement is really, really worrisome to me. Completely out of order to talk about how he's part of the family and that he told her to take the story down. He sounds utterly clueless.
     
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  12. TallinnBantam

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    I agree. I read that statement from her old man, and then had to read it again.

    There’s a lot more to this than meets the eye I feel.
     
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  14. SimonW

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    We don’t actually know she was ever pressing charges. He wasn’t actually charged UNTIL it was revealed they were back living together and apparently had been for months. The statement doesn't say the alleged victim had dropped charges but that a key witness had pulled out and new evidence had come to light. It would seem odd if they were back living together and she had only just dropped out would it not?

    It's where the whole thing is a mess. Either he is guilty but there is a lack of nailed on evidence and what has been released is such that it makes a fair trial impossible so moving ahead would be pointless or he is innocent and this has been a malicious act (either by her trying to get back at him or as he dad claims by a hacker) which isn't good either way
     
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    The big problem is the whole system just isn't setup for the modern world. It's set up to value the privacy of everyone involved by neither party speaking and the Police/CPS not speaking but in the age of the internet, privacy is very hard to keep even when you have the situation with the two players who play for London club (One whose had their case dropped, the other who is still under investigation) where the media can't name them and the clubs can't suspend them as part of that the names still leak out. This cone of silence just allows for opinions to be formed on partial information and even for false info to be taken as fact and its going to hang over his head if the silence continues and hang over hers (as she is now being accused of being the witness that dropped out and that's leading to people saying she has been telling lies when we don't know if she was ever accusing him of anything, certainly we don't know she pressed charges and even if both of those things are true we don't know what the new evidence is so we don't know she was telling lies).

    It's all a mess that's damaging everyone associated with the situation and it won't be the last time there is a similar situation where the way the system is setup in a modern world causes the same situation. There has to be situations where all parties but especially the Police/CPS have to be able and encouraged to speak to clear things up so it's not constantly doing damage to everyone even when the outcome should be an end to the damage
     
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    I was gonna post that but couldn't work out how to spell colonel :joy:
     
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    This is a very strange case where no one with any part in it has come out of it in a good light. Certainly not Greenwood despite not actually been charged with anything has evidence to suggest he is an abuser and has more than likely done it to his partner before. because why would she be filming this evidence if it was just a one off. But then even the filming is strange, we can't say for definite that the video evidence was actually caused by Greenwood and who lets a tiny nick on a lip drip all the wat down their body past their navel? Most would wipe it off their face before it even got past their chin and her actions after the alleged offences lead me to believe theres more to this than meets the eye. Which is infuriating because that domestic violence is a cancer in society. Quite ironic that despite them now being all lovey dovey for the cameras and her not wanting to press charges, her actions have actually curtailed his once flying career. If she was going to these lengths to uncover a woman abuser the least she could have done is followed it through.
     
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    Money
     
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  19. Bronco

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    My understanding is she is a local lass from Bradford, we my wife is also a Bradford lass originally from Buttershaw and I can assure anyone if I had ever laid a hand on here she would have certainly given as good as she got but more to the point her and both my daughters would have walked.
    Any sort of abuse is IMO not a part of a loving relationship and the first time should have been the last, never mind taking time out to take pictures of said incident.
     
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    Maybe she went down the social media route before certain powers try to sweep it under the carpet ............... if she had gone straight to the club I am sure there would have been some kind of deal to keep it quiet
     
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