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And how did that penalty vs Newport come about? The defender passed it straight to vaughan to go 1v1 with the keeper. Complete luck.

And last night's pen? Never a pen in a million years but we got lucky because the referee didn't have a clue.

 

Don't know what's happened there @Idlebantam got nothing to comment on the injury front.

 

What stats were they?

On xG ratio we are sixth best in the league.
On xG from open play we are seventh best in the league
On shots in the box we are ninth best in the league.

Our performances have dropped from before Christmas, when we were higher (around third and fourth) in these charts, but anyone suggesting we have been lucky this year is using bad stats.

People often cite penalties and set pieces as skewing our stats or defensive mistakes gifting us goals.....but that is nonsense. Fouls and mistakes are caused by us applying pressure...if you don't get chopped down and fouled you could have shots in goal in decent shooting positions etc.

 

https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/sack-the-manager.2946/page-59#post-301594

 

ta for posting.

With all due respect to RCB, who has spent time going through that, I don't think you can use those stats ahead of expected goals stats and shots in the box to say City have been lucky this year.

Penalties get awarded for fouls in the box, so if McCartan isn't chopped down in the box last night, for example, then he has a shot at goal. The chance doesn't get erased from the game if Donaldson doesn't score the penalty. RCB's stats are useful in that they show how many points we've gained from own goals and penalties but they aren't a realistic measure of luck.

Teams who apply pressure and force their opponents into making mistakes will win more penalties and set plays.

Donaldson and Vaughan are two streetwise forwards and, when they have played, they win us a lot of free kicks because they know how to play the game and draw in the mug defenders.

xG is a measure of the quality of the chances you create in dangerous areas of the pitch, as is shots in the box, and both have been shown to correlate well with a teams final league position long term.

They all point to City fully deserving their place in the top seven. They also show our performance levels have dipped of late and we need to kick on again to cement our place in the playoffs.

 

Stats are widely used and create an accurate picture but don't always tell the whole story. Stats will show Cheltenham had 77% possession but did bugger all with it. It would suggest we struggled but we were in fact pretty comfortable all game.

 

A couple of points about those stats: please note, first, my post a little later in that thread in which I looked at how many points we (and the rest of the top-7) had lost because of pens/og's, and second, that I believe those stats are more for amusement's sake than anything else. The idea that one can just add (or subtract) a goal from a match for some arbitrary reason and yet leave everything else in the match the same is not, I think, a viable one.

Take last night's match, for example. Given Cheltenham's goal, then thanks to that penalty we got one point rather than none, and Cheltenham lost two. But it was a soft call. Take it away, and would the match have remained a 0-0? Would Cheltenham have scored anyways? Leave it in, and take away Devitt's red. Would we then have won 1-0? It's a nice way to exercise the imagination, but I wouldn't go further than that.

RCB

 

I quite like him.

 

Have you been watching me....??

 

Doyle not happy and Vaughan for the off. Not good.

 

i wonder if it's a "it's me or the manager" situations, or the players wanting the manager out...

 

Unrest in the camp,well I never!
Of course there is.
Reminds me of the Grayson games.
Player's all to willing to pick up their pay packets for merely going through the motions on a match day,knowing full well they will escape the inevitable outcome of the sack.That been the scenario of yet another management post vacancy.
In this case justified in my opinion but still a lousy way to lose your job because of player power.
Gary it's time to go the players don't want to play for you,and on a personal note I have had enough of your inability to put together a team and instill the pride and passion so sadly missing on a Saturday afternoon.

 

With all due respect he could have walked out in the summer and I wish him well,but won't miss him.

 

You do realise this is baseless information?

 

Yes I do.

 

He got sacked at fecking park avenue he's got no leg to stand on there.

 

If you know someone that knows him tell him that's he's right in his thought process and he should leave.

He is being ruined and could struggle after this. If he walks easier for him to explain the situation.

Needs to think long term not short term.

Him and Bowyer need to be sacked urgently.

 

Agree.

 

Strange because that is what he said he wanted when we hired him.

 

I wasn't there. What happened?