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January 2023 - Transfer Talk - Stick or Twist

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Tony Wilkinson, Oct 12, 2022.

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  1. Bigrod

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    I think we need to look at the EFL Rules. https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/section-6---players/

    They state:
    44.9 Squad Lists

    44.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions:


    (b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.

    44.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:

    (b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs:

    (i) any Under 21 Players; and

    (ii) goalkeepers.

    I reckon the following fit into the age 22 and above, and who aren’t goalkeepers

    2 Brad Halliday

    3 Liam Ridehalgh

    4 Yann Songo’o

    5 Matty Platt

    6 Richie Smallwood

    7 Lee Angol

    8 Emmanuel Osadebe

    9 Andy Cook

    10 Jamie Walker

    11 Alex Gilliead

    14 Matty Foulds

    15 Timi Odusina

    16 Ryan East

    17 Luke Hendrie

    18 Levi Sutton

    19 Vadaine Oliver

    20 Harry Chapman

    22 Oscar Threlkeld

    24 Romoney Crichlow

    26 Dion Pereira

    30 Abo Eisa

    No Squad number Fiacre Kelleher

    So a full squad of 22 players.

    As far as I see it we cannot sign any ‘Senior’ players, unless some leave. Threlkeld and Kelleher do not appear to be in the clubs plans. Despite being on loan, then as they are contracted to City, then I assume they count to the total number of players?
    Threlkeld hasn’t been in the Oldham squad for the last two games and has accumulated 5 yellow cards in 8 appearances! His loan at Oldham expires on 2nd January 2023, when he is scheduled to return to City.
    Kelleher has gone to Solihull on a season long loan. He seems to be playing regularly for them. He has played for them before.

    So unless players leave, I struggle to see how we can add to our current squad.
     
  2. Idlebantam

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    Although I cannot see too much activity, you should never stick. January presents a chance to improve even further and add to options, which we should pursue
     
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  3. Jordan

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    Loaned out players don't count towards registration for the Squad List. We have 20 registered at the minute but yes Threlkeld is coming back, however we'd have to register him for him to be a headache which i cant imagine will happen.

    To be fair, a senior midfielder is probably the only one i'd imagine we'd sign of an age unless we have to replace any outgoings. Another striker to take on Harratts bench gap will probably be needed but whoever comes in aren't getting ahead of Cook or Oliver as main back up, so probably a young lad on loan.
     
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    Bigrod if you're including all the players we have on loan as our players in getting to the 22 man squad, surely you shouldn't include the players we have loaned out. I appreciate you're saying Threlkeld is due back on 2nd January, but Kelleher is on loan for the season so shouldn't be included in the 22.
     
  5. Bigrod

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    On reflection, I think you are right about Kelleher. However if you go to the City website https://www.bradfordcityafc.com/onthepitch/mens-first-team-player-profiles/ he is included in the first team profiles, but as I said, he doesn’t have a number. So a bit confusing.
    Threlkeld is ours. He is also on the list and has been allocated a number. He will be back in January. So we definitely will have 21 and potentially 22 players.
    It may well be that some of the loaning clubs might want their player back.
    I can’t see wholesale change in the squad, perhaps one, maybe two new players at the most.
     
  6. Birky Bantam

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    As much as we might look to bring in 1 or 2 I think as big a priority should be making sure we keep the players we do have. Out of the loan players I think there's a chance Crichlow, Banks and Wright could all be recalled especially the first 2 which would all be big losses if they were to leave.
     
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    We can sign one as Harratt has gone back. If Threlkeld comes back I suspect we will loan him out somewhere even lower or just terminate his contract.
     
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  8. Bigrod

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    Harratt didn’t count as he was under 21. The same goes for Banks and Wright (who has now turned 21).
    There would be a cost implication with Threlkeld, and he may not readily agree, so might be more problematical.
    Are you still exiled to the R&C?
     
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    We should be scouting potential replacements for the top loaners we have in case they return to there clubs Hopefully we are doing that now while making note of players we may want eventually
     
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    Loaned out players aren't included in your squad registration. The list is selected by the club, you don't have to register all players contracted over age, hence why Theo Robinson didn't play for 6 months before signing for us summer 2021. Vale had too many seniors and someone couldn't be registered so it was him, he didn't want a pay out so he didn't play for the rest of the season and just ran his deal out.

    I imagine with Threlkeld it might be a similar situation where he's still under contract but probably dont register him if we are full up as i cant see many takers for him once he comes back.
     
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    With Threlkeld be best to pay him off and let him find a club and frees up a space
     
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    Thelkeld won’t be ours if we pay him off the rest of his contract June 2023 . So won’t cost much!
     
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    I think Foulds counts as a home grown player given his youth experience with us.
     
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    We have a 20 player squad currently registered with the EFL and 14 U21's.
    https://www.efl.com/contentassets/507aa6a7a8754b37a8b949396ec5d00e/squad-list-publication-report-2022-23---07.09.2022.pdf
     
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    The rules have changed for this season, as long as they came through an FA affiliated club for 3 years prior to being 21 they count as a home grown player. Which most of our squad has as per @Fuzzy@Fuzzy has
     
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    But Angol didn't get booked this Saturday, Jordan.
    Songo'o, Cook, Oliver and Chapman got the yellows.
     
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    Read the rules again Rod. It says a club can "name" a set amount of players that are eligible to play, not that the squad can only contain a set amount.

    We could have 30 on the books and simply not name a handful in the matchday squad so the limits won't stop us bringing someone in if it was required.
     
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    Biggest challenge wil be hanging onto the good ones.... Wright, Banks and Crichlow. If those three are here come 1st Feb ... brill. With the injured players returning do we replace Harratt?
     
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    Threlkeld is out of contact in June so we probably would just let him fester. Not been to any pub before a match for the last three matches. Certainly not going to the Rose n Crown. It smells and is full of undesirable types. Back on Saturday so if Sam's coming it will be the Clyde. If not will be the TFC
     
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    Not sure you can withdraw the ‘naming’, as that would allow a flexible group of players. It would seem to go behind the ‘cap number’.

    My assumption is that once ‘named’, as long as the player is registered to the Club, then they would count towards the total.
     
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