Jake Young

He is a far better player who has done it over a longer period. Young has still got a lot to prove. So far only bottom end of league one have shown any interest

 

Al Hamadi is quality.

Jake Young is sort of in the balance. Maybe he can prove himself, but he's not there yet - not by a long chalk.

 

Swindon Town FC don’t appear to have purchased the ground perse. It’s 50% owned by the Australian owner and allegedly 50% by a shell company run by a dead supporter “ trust” .

Putting us in that position Rupp could sell the club yet still own 50% of VP, thus dictating the annual rent. Not sure that’s a road I would wish to go down. Especially as it appears the ownership stays with 2 third parties and all the upkeep, like VP , left to the club to fund?

Another weird arrangement ?

 

So after the draw at Colchester, i decided to have a break from this forum, it was getting far too much, all the name calling of fellow members and the clubs staff.
I see not much has changed in the two weeks..
I like most fans. are completely dissatisfied with what is happening at VP.
i do not like that we have a hands off owner, its no way to run a business, Sparks is very good at the commercial side, but i do not think he is the man for the football side.
Standing on its own two feet , is definately the way to go and we have enough income to do this, its just been wasted, with the flip flop strategy, and constant change of direction.
We have to make a plan and stick to it. That might mean a bit of pain, but if we can see how the club might progress,then so be it.
The calls of trying to force Rupp's hand, are all well and good, but what then, there is no guarantee the next owner will be any better.
If the fans really want change then fan money is the only way. I have suggested before a fan buy out, if not off Rupp, as his asking price is apparently too high, what about the stadium. If 10000 fans put in £500, thats £5 million. more than enough to negotiate a deal with the pension fund. The stadium held in some kind of trust for all fans going forward.
The supporters hand would then be much stronger in negotiations with the club/Rupp.

i am willing, but i dont think there will be many other takers

 

No comparison between the two. We don’t have anywhere near the value in Young..

 

Won’t happen Andy. Any sensible person would see VP valued at absolutely nowhere near £5m. Low grade land value and scrap steel. Which would probably cost £2m to recover by Ogdens and scrap steel is no longer the asset people believe. I’m with your thought process but it’s unworkable. on many grounds.

 

Oh well that’s it then, let’s kick all suggestions into touch before we have a more thorough discussion. It doesn’t matter what it is valued at commercially, it matters to the fans of City. So yes @andyc it might well be difficult to organise that kind of takeover of VP, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t explore that option. BTW I am not sensible.

 

Hardly a much longer period. AAH only started scoring this time last year in his career after some lacklustre spells. Al-Hamadi in his goal scoring run has 23 league goals in 42 games with 7 assists. Jake Young in his scoring run managed 16 league goals in 25 league games and 4 assists. You're talking 17 more league appearances that Young has managed, hardly a lengthy period is it? Certain not enough to say we should snap up £200k when a player similar age has a £2m tag slapped on him.

And, a far better player? Even in general play this season, Youngs shots on target percentage is 44.4%, Al-Hamadis is 45.3%. Young scored his 16 league goals from 72 shots, Al-Hamadi scored his 13 from 86 shots. They've played about the same time this season with Hamadi having 8 more minutes. Young has drawn 23 fouls to Al-Hamadis 15, Young was caught offside 12 times compared to Al-Hamadis 22 and Young has crossed 27 times compared to Al-Hamadis 15. Jake was more officiant with his shots, drew more fouls, was onside more, crossed for team mates more...... if you go on this season, Young is the better performer. Oh, and as admitted by Flynn, he was playing Young whilst injured for a month.

 

Who knows what value the pension fund will put on the stadium, they paid circa £2.5 million i believe.
Its just an asset to them, but much more to us, the supporters, especially those that have gone through some of the darker days, like myself.
They have had 21 years rent at around £8000 per week , approx £8.5 million another 4 years at about £9k i believe is £1.8 million, offer £2.5 , is above what they will get in rent It's unlikely , but the club could no longer play at the stadium in 4 years and what is their asset worth then.

 

Swindon..... weird arrangements...... sounds about right.

 

The £5 mill is what £500 by 10000 fans could raise, i think the stadium would come in much less.
If you don't ask the question , how do yo know the answer.

 

So you are saying he is worth 10 times the value? And if we sell Young for £200k and they sell Hamadi for £2m you are happy with our business?

Al Hamadi was in the national league and only started scoring for Wimbledon when he signed 12 months ago. So he has been doing it 6 months longer. But Young has a better record this season.

You are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out.

 

That sounds a tad defeatist “ Oh well that’s it then” . What is wrong with highlighting pitfalls?
I’m sure you wouldn’t pay £1/2 m for a house when you discover its value is £250,000.? Neither would I, but that’s EXACTLY what is hypothetically being suggested . An admirable idea but subject to many, many pitfalls as I’m sure will evolve throughout the debate.

 

Nice work, thanks for clearing that up...........regardless of who is better there is no chance Hamadi is worth 10 times what Young is! Its laughable!!!

Lets not forget, Young as a very young player (aged 19) was part of the FGR set up that won the league. He had 2 quality strikers ahead of him that season but in his FGR tenure he bagged 12 in 62 and a league title.

I dare say Young has been 'doing it longer'. Hamadi was in the NL and struggling at Wycombe when Young was doing that in L2.

 

Apart from Young statistically is superior. And has scored more goals this season. Lets ignore that eh.

 

You answered your own question and support my point entirely. As an asset on its own it’s not worth a great deal Andy. So £5m is way way over the odds, and Gibb knows that, but as long as a football club , our football club remains there he is laughing and can put any price on it he wishes.

 

He did indeed but I can’t agree on their like for like values. No chance. Ask why Ipswich have gone for A.A-H at £2m and we have had two insufficient bids from L1 clubs turned down.? It looks like many EFL clubs think likewise Jordan?

 

Im sure the question has been asked by Rupp and Sparks, clearly it’s like the value Rupp has put on his sale of the football club….far too high!

 

I would call his bluff and say that in 4 years we are moving on and the fund would then have apiece of land, that might cost millions to clear and then be worth little from a retail point.
Bite the bullet and throw in with the bulls and slowly re develop Odsal. Or find the money to make an offer.
At some point we have to take emotion away from this situation, we can not keep on bleeding money to a pension fund for another 30 years. Even at the current weekly level of payment that would be £14 million.
Money that could be invested elsewhere in the club.

 

I think you’d probably be lucky to find 1,000 who’d pay £500 for such a project, let alone 10,000, sadly.

For all we have a high number of ST holders, a lot are kids and youths, and from the four in my house, to give an example, only one could be in a position to pay, and even I’m skint and on the DD scheme!