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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Idlebantam, Oct 8, 2023.

  1. Petrov

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    Do you disagree that Israel and Palestine both have the right to exist?
     
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  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    You can revisit my post in 2000 years and see if we have made any progress.....!!
     
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  3. Storck

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    I get that but the people who specialise in Jewish school security were advising to stay open
     
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  4. Idlebantam

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    Both have a right. Fail to see what that has to do with one poster editing another one's post though
     
  5. Dennis

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    The barbaric assault by Hamas can never be condoned. It should be condemned by everybody but unfortunately it won't be. I have to acknowledge that the issue is a very complex one. Nobody has come up with a solution since Britain took responsibility of the Palestine mandate after WW1 when the Ottoman empire was being taken apart. It took another 30 years for the state of Israel to be established and the outstanding question of the Palestinians was swept under the carpet. The West later failed to intervene after the 6 Day war when Israel invaded Jordan, Egypt and Syria and still illegally occupies the West Bank etc. That situation remains to this day with the obvious parallels with Ukraine. Until sense prevails and that situation can be undone, I don't imagine there will ever be a solution.
     
  6. NorthernMonkey

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    Did you see the minutes silence between Notts and Mansfield?

    Sadly they showed exactly why the lighting of the arch would be a much better way of highlighting the issue rather than the silence. No doubt it'll more of the same up and down the country.
     
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  7. Faithful Bantam

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    Awful to watch/listen to. There's an awful lot of simmering resentment and hate across society. I fear we're on the brink of serious and widespread disorder.
     
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  8. Onside

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    Only just switched it on. I think that is very sad indeed. I wouldn’t do it. Division’s all over the place, the FA must consider the risk of further division.
     
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    You can always rely on 'socialist worker' support getting involved....

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  10. bailiff bridge bantam

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    A minute’s silence is always open to a few idiots making a noise.
    This then results in them being booed,which just makes it sound worse.
    Thought the referee might stop the minute early to avoid the obvious embarrassment that most decent fans were feeling.
     
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  11. Bronco

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    Very worrying
     
  12. Bronco

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    Very true, but on such an important issue shouldn't it be the job of our MODs, were not talking about a little micky taking because someone spelt a players name incorrectly.
     
  13. NorthernMonkey

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    That happened 6 months or more ago.
     
  14. Bronco

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    And it will happen again but my point was it was taken from Richard Barnard.twitter who is mentioned above, if they were supplying Hamas with weapons I wonder if they would do the same.
     
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    With or without the recent events it would happen again. I'd put the group responsible in the same bracket the just stop oil nutters.
     
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    It's a complex, long standing geopolitical quagmire. But the charter of Hamas calls for the obliteration of Israel and the Jews. It appears to me that their motivation of hate and violence outweighs any desire for peace or protection of their own populace. There'll never be peace, and given the history of the Jews I have every understanding that they take literally threats against their existence.
     
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  17. Bronco

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    '

    I'd suggest they are heavily backed by the regime in Iran, they will be more that happy to see the situation in Gaza even though 1000s of lives will be at risk, the West have a lot to answer for with regards the nuclear inspectors not being allowed full reign with regards the nuclear possibility.
    Like it or not Trump was having none of it and stopped any financial aid to Iran.
     
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  18. Offcomedun

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    Don’t be such a snowflake. It’s a common method of response to a debate on here. I didn’t edit her post - her post still exists exactly in its original form. I edited a copy of her post. It’s just a shorthand way of responding to make a point.
     
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  19. Offcomedun

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    What absolute bollocks you are talking here.

    I don’t believe for one minute that you have read the article. You have simply made a knee jerk response because you’ve seen that the article is in The Guardian.

    No one could possibly read that article and conclude that the author is “blaming Israel for their own massacre by the Hamas terrorists”.

    Does this sound like it’s excusing Hamas?
    “It was a rampage of killing, as the men of Hamas tore down the fence that separates Gaza from southern Israel, gunning down the young at a music festival, slaughtering the old at a string of kibbutzim, killing children wherever they could be found. The victims were tortured while alive and mutilated once dead. One journalist, familiar with the most graphic evidence, says the right comparisons are with the massacres staged during the Rwandan genocide of 1994. In the 75-year history of the state of Israel, 7 October 2023 stands as its darkest day.”

    If you have actually read that article and still conclude that it is blaming Israel for the massacre then there is something seriously wrong with your comprehension.

    If Israel hadn’t been so focused on colonising the West Bank then they wouldn’t have taken their eye off the continuing threat from Hamas in the south. That’s a shocking failure of government. But it doesn’t mean that Israel was to blame for the massacre. Responsibility for the slaughter, rape, torture and abduction of innocent Jewish citizens rests 100% with Hamas.
     
  20. Rogered Tart

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    Israel adamant they're gonna go into Gaza and crush Hamas but you can't really defeat an ideology like that. If anything it will only make them stronger and the protests around the world even fiercer.
     

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