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iFollow 2021/22

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by ahar964, Nov 24, 2020.

  1. ahar964

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    Assuming next season that things return to normal regarding spectators at matches, I think there is an argument for Ifollow (bad as it is) still being available for all matches. This would have to be at the approval or discretion of the home club.
    Here's my thinking. I only attend a few away matches each season -yes I know I'm a plastic - and they tend to be the nearer ones. If I was going to say Bolton, the fact the match was available on I follow wouldn't stop me going. However if we were playing Orient away on a Saturday, there is no way I could afford the time to go. I would however spend £10-12 to watch it on Ifollow. So somebody, Orient I guess, benefits from a tenner they wouldn't normally get. I expect the hard core away fans would still travel because, like myself with the nearer matches, its about the experience. The home club would have to do its own calculations as to whether it would benefit from allowing the match on Ifollow. Just my opinion. Obviously the EFL would have a view, but for some clubs I see a win/win
     
  2. WilsdenBantam

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    I can see your point, but not everyone is the same. There would be some, especially when we are doing crap that would use it as an excuse not to go. IFollow games are shown on Tuesday nights which I think is a fair enough compromise, I know not everyone can afford to go to away games across the country but it’s the same for many people, football is a want not a need.
     
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  3. SimonW

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    If they did that then almost certainly the 3PM TV blackout from PL clubs would cease as the whole argument for why the EFL needs that goes out of the window (It, after all, exists to protect the important income generated from casual fans. That would leave most if not all clubs out of pocket as fans of PL clubs who attend lower league matches as they can't get a ticket for their actual team or just the casual fans who don't really have a team but want to watch some football could now just watch 3PM TV game rather than the lower league team
     
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  4. trevor

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    There must be hundreds of fans who cannot go to matches for whatever reason would pay to watch on iFollow given the chance, Easy money just waiting
     
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  5. ahar964

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    I see what you are saying, but its not the same. If Ifollow was available for every Bradford game I would still attend the same number of matches. I.e. all the home matches and some selected away matches. The difference is that I would probably also pay Ifollow to watch the away matches too far away for me to afford the time to get to. So over the course of a season the league 2 clubs will see more of my money than if Ifollow wasn't available. I also think the "casual" fan might want to watch a live league 2 match but probably wouldn't pay to watch league 2 on Ifollow. As ever we are all different and this is just my viewpoint.
     
  6. ahar964

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    That's what I think
     
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  7. SimonW

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    You are looking at it as 'They would get more money from me' not 'Will they get more money across the board'. The EFL is adamant that getting the casual fans in the stadium which they claim there is a significant amount is worth it.

    When you consider that at least in 2017 the cheapest lowest band ticket in League 2 was £14.50 and the cheapest highest band ticket was £20 then you can see they make more from it plus then the additional income streams (Most expensive were £20 for low band and £29 high band)

    Also the way distribution of iFollow income is done its not even a great deal across the board for clubs which makes it worse. They would prefer casual fans attending taking up spare seats, maybe buying a programme, a drink, a pie etc rather than going 'Well I could go and watch Bradford city in the rain or I can stay in and watch Man Utd or Liverpool on the TV'
     
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  8. mrtrickio

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    The clubs wouldn't get anything close to the cost of an ifollow pass next season for each one sold
     
  9. ahar964

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    Again I hear what you are saying. Yes they would get more money from me, and I suspect there would be many thousands like me across the country. But it is your assumption about the "casual fan" that I disagree with. In my mind the "casual fan" is one who enjoys the live football experience, pie pint and all, maybe 2 or 3 times a year. I don't think forking out a tenner to watch on Ifollow has any appeal whatsoever to the "casual fan".
     
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  10. SimonW

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    Most casual fans are fans who support top-level clubs and either can't get to their match as they can't get a ticket (be it because they sell out every week or because they are away) so end up at a local game that Saturday at 3 pm.

    If their club was on TV they aren't going to League 1, League 2 or lower. In fact many of them wont even go even if they don't support a big side but they can watch a higher quality game in high quality on TV.

    And you say many thousands. For the Salford game, you sold 1645 passes. That was the most you have sold all season and you sell more for away games as the ST holders have to buy away games. Those ST holders aren't buying iFollow as they will be in the stadium and some of those 1645 won't buy iFollow as they will go to the away game in person.

    Home matches are averaging around 600 sales a game. With sales of iFollow only being worth £8.34 and matchday tickets being £25 they only need 200 casual fans to make the same amount on match day as they do on iFollow
     
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  11. ahar964

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    When I said many thousands I was talking about football fans across the country, not specifically City fans.
    You see I think Ifollow appeals more to hard core fans who can't get to a game for whatever reason than it does to "casual fans". As I have already said I think our definition of casual fans differs. I doubt any "casual fan" wanting to watch City would pay for an Ifollow pass rather than a match ticket. In my experience they want the match day experience. Now would they be tempted by a higher quality higher division match on TV. In my opinion not, but I do see your argument.
     
  12. trevor

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    I was not referencing casual fans in my OP, I was talking about the hundreds maybe thousands of fans who are old or disabled or family/others who are lifelong supporters but for various reasons cannot attend games live, At the moment they rely on radio coverage but would pay to watch their team
     
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  13. SimonW

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    Casual fans don't decide they want to watch City though, they watch because its the best option right then for their football fix. For example, I'm a Man Utd fan, lived in the Manchester Region from about 2 to 7 before my dad's job moved him down south. It wasn't viable for me to go and watch Man Utd play so if I wanted to watch football on a Saturday afternoon my choice was to go and watch Farnborough Town or if they were playing away hope that Aldershot Town were at home. With Farnborough being a commuter town and Aldershot being an Army town alot of my friends were in the same boat where they supported clubs that were significant distances away, I had friends who supported Forest, Newcastle, Rangers amongst others so we would go and watch Farnborough or Aldershot most Saturday. We weren't fans of the club, if we could have watched our team on TV we certainly would have, given the chance to watch a top-level game on TV we probably would have taken it as well because at that level its not even great football but it was all we had. And that's the thing with Casual fans, they aren't choosing to watch a game because they want to watch that team, they choose to watch that team because they don't have a free choice so pick the best option on a variety of factors. You throw 3PM PL games into the mix (plus you would have to allow foreign games that currently can't be shown) and you have way more factors pushing people away from going to games unless they are an actual fan
     
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  14. SimonW

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    The figures suggest that this isn't. You have around 600 per home game paying for iFollow access. I would imagine a fair few of those are people who choose not to take their season ticket up because the chances of seeing enough live games to make it value for money was (and still is) fairly small. Its cheaper to just pay £10 for every home match, especially if you usually buy multiple season tickets for family
     
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  15. ahar964

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    We are going to have to agree to disagree. It looks like there are different kinds of casual fans. However, I would never expect 3pm PL games to be shown on Ifollow or Sky.
     
  16. Storck

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    I could see a point where PL stay on 3PM blackout and maybe Championship whilst L1 and L2 can have their games on iFollow on a pay per view basis.

    That way the attraction is still there for casual fans to attend as the big boys will not be available
     
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  17. Parader

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    Is iFollow a thing in the National League?
     
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  18. Stafford Bantam

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    Interesting to see that some (all?) Saturday 3pm matches on the opening day of the SPFL season are being broadcast live across all 4 divisions.

    Whilst I've seen lots of suggestions that iFollow is not going to be available in the UK on Saturdays, I've yet to see absolute confirmation that it is not going to available and it is going to be interesting if Scottish matches are going to be available across the UK.
     
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  19. Kevin1954

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    Id pay double the price of a season ticket to watch ifollow, whereby I wouldn’t be buying a season ticket. Work it out,
     
  20. Storck

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    Is that because it is before the English season starts?
     

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