Let’s hope we don’t have to be patient let’s hope we get off to a flier. There will be big changes in personnel and Bowyer has already got his feet under the table and knows exactly what he wants. There is no reason we can’t get of to a good start
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Park bantam Regular StarterP.L.22/23 EntrantStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Bronco, bantam2708 and JonButterfield like this.
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It’s rare that a manager can pick up a poor squad and get big improvements. And many of the examples you have provided, the squads built by the managers/coaches being sacked, were poor.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...RonnieBrown and JonButterfield like this. -
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It didn't work for a single team this year. Now that we work with transfer windows, as opposed to a new man just coming in and signing players like they used to be able to do, surely clubs should be started to get clued up.
Is there any point at all sacking a manager a month or two after the window has closed?
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It's a good question, stats above suggest the supposed new manager bounce is a bit of a myth. We've definitely not really experienced it recently in spite of all our managerial changes.
Wonder what would've happened this year if we'd stuck with Collins, couldn't have been much worse than what's happened!Onside and BoingBoing like this. -
And then, of course, you will get the occasional coach that is good enough to get something else from his new group of players. Rare, but it does happen occasionally. Hasenhutti at Southampton is one example, Steve Bruce at Villa being another. But as you point out, these are few and far betweenStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Onside and JonButterfield like this. -
Fascinating stuff. I am wondering whether through gritting teeth we let the ‘sacked manager’ carry on it would turn around the fortunes of the team? After all it is his team and he must have had a plan? Everyone panics when the team start losing and they fear relegation, but there doesn’t appear to be any remedy other than sheer hard work.We have had three managers this season same result. Collins was sacked after 6 weeks, the Hopkin walked after months trying to get things moving, Bowyer had a few weeks with them, but we have still ended up relegated.
I am not in favour of sacking managers at the drop of a hat, it is disruptive to the whole squad. I think you have to choose your manager, and stick with him through the bad times in the hope he gets it right in the end. It is the choosing of the manager that requires some serious thought and whether they fit with the philosophy of the club. I am absolutely convinced it we had Hopkin or Bowyer at the start of the season we would not have been relegated.rmbenson007 and RonnieBrown like this. -
I think sometimes it can indicate a tendency to panic and knee jerk reactions that could be an issue in other areas of the club too. Whilst taking swift action and admitting the mistake is a thing sometimes, it doesn't say much about your CEOs big grand 5 year plan when he sacks the guy in charge after 5 minutes. Can deffo be an indicator of a club in crisis but just not always an obvious one at that stage of the season.
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This doesn't criticise Bowyer at all.
Strange that multiple posters on here are so incredibly defensive about a post that doesn't even work to Bowyer's detriment, but rather suggests we should be patient next season?rmbenson007 likes this. -
I do feel that players themselves do certain managers a massive disservice. Once the players cant be arsed a manager is done for, look at mourinho this year and to an extent mccall and grayson for us this year. Much easier to get rid of one mananger than 10 players.
Looking at this year, Bruce wasnt at working at villa, they wanted and got him out, the foreign bloke at wednesday couldnt buy a run of wins yet Bruce walks into wednesday and turns them around and had he took over hin December not February they could have been play off material.
Its catch 22 for an owner, i do think as mentioned above the tipping point is the players. If the team is split or individuals wont perform for a certain manager then thats when he has to go, rightly or wronglyOnside likes this. -
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The fact there season mirrors ours perfectly is astonishing. I didn't think any Chairman could do as inept a job as Rahic, but if they go down...YungNath likes this. -
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Ole at Utd
Bruce at Wednesday
Smith at Villa
Rodgers at Leicester
Southampton man.
The manager of a club knows he is judged on results and needs to get off to a good start of risks the sack.
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